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Discussion of "planeta"
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Comment #7:
Re: Redundancy
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Curtis W Franks (Fri Feb 14 00:20:16 2014)
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krtisfranks wrote: > selpahi wrote: > > krtisfranks wrote: > > > selpahi wrote: > > > > krtisfranks wrote: > > > > > Is not terdi exactly equivalent? > > > > > > > > > > > > plini, rather. > > > > > > terdi is the planet that is home/inhabited by something. plini is > a > > > planet in the physical sense and is essentially the same as mluni > > except > > > for connotations of size of body and of orbit/focus of orbit; plini > and > > > mluni have physical characteristics pertaining to themselves and > > > characteristics of orbit (pertaining to their orbital system). > > > > > > Incidentally, if one ever wants a demonstration of synonym/redundancy > in > > > baselined Lojban, plini versus mluni would be it. > > > > I think the x2 of planeta should be removed. Otherwise I can't call > > uninhabited planets planeta, which is ridiculous. > > > I am generally not very happy with the word. While synonyms are okay, this > just seems overly unnecessary whilst we have perfectly fine, functioning > gismu for the same thing. If one were aiming for recognizability, I would > argue that the person being accommodated by the introduction of such > (natural language) words (for concepts that we already can express) should > just learn Lojban or go away (preferably the former).
The only uses for which I can think of putting planeta would be either trying to fuse terdi with plini in order to capture all of their terbri (in which case a lujvo would do nicely), or for describing a rogue planet (in which case orbital parameters and focus are somewhat philosophically questionable and therefore plini may be arguably bad; even in such a case, all sorts of arguments can be made for the use of plini: delete terbri instead, form a lujvo or tanru instead, ignore it, or simply realize that even rogue planets probably do orbit something (just not a nearby star/massive body in many situations)).
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Comment #8:
Re: Redundancy
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gleki (Fri Feb 14 06:26:33 2014)
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krtisfranks wrote: > krtisfranks wrote: > > selpahi wrote: > > > krtisfranks wrote: > > > > selpahi wrote: > > > > > krtisfranks wrote: > > > > > > Is not terdi exactly equivalent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plini, rather. > > > > > > > > terdi is the planet that is home/inhabited by something. plini > is > > a > > > > planet in the physical sense and is essentially the same as mluni > > > except > > > > for connotations of size of body and of orbit/focus of orbit; plini > > and > > > > mluni have physical characteristics pertaining to themselves and > > > > characteristics of orbit (pertaining to their orbital system). > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if one ever wants a demonstration of > synonym/redundancy > > in > > > > baselined Lojban, plini versus mluni would be it. > > > > > > I think the x2 of planeta should be removed. Otherwise I can't call > > > uninhabited planets planeta, which is ridiculous. > > > > > > I am generally not very happy with the word. While synonyms are okay, > this > > just seems overly unnecessary whilst we have perfectly fine, functioning > > gismu for the same thing. If one were aiming for recognizability, I > would > > argue that the person being accommodated by the introduction of such > > (natural language) words (for concepts that we already can express) > should > > just learn Lojban or go away (preferably the former). > > The only uses for which I can think of putting planeta would be either > trying to fuse terdi with plini in order to capture all of their > terbri (in which case a lujvo would do nicely), or for describing a rogue > planet (in which case orbital parameters and focus are somewhat > philosophically questionable and therefore plini may be arguably bad; > even in such a case, all sorts of arguments can be made for the use of > plini: delete terbri instead, form a lujvo or tanru instead, ignore it, > or simply realize that even rogue planets probably do orbit something > (just not a nearby star/massive body in many situations)).
Since mluni-plini clash is pu'o solved, since the default value of terdi2 is equal to Sol3 planet aka "The Earth" and thus not very useful I'm removing planeta2.
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