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Discussion of "planeta"
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Comment #7: Re: Redundancy
Curtis W Franks (Fri Feb 14 00:20:16 2014)

krtisfranks wrote:
> selpahi wrote:
> > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > selpahi wrote:
> > > > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > > > Is not terdi exactly equivalent?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > plini, rather.
> > >
> > > terdi is the planet that is home/inhabited by something. plini
is
> a
> > > planet in the physical sense and is essentially the same as mluni
> > except
> > > for connotations of size of body and of orbit/focus of orbit; plini
> and
> > > mluni have physical characteristics pertaining to themselves and
> > > characteristics of orbit (pertaining to their orbital system).
> > >
> > > Incidentally, if one ever wants a demonstration of
synonym/redundancy
> in
> > > baselined Lojban, plini versus mluni would be it.
> >
> > I think the x2 of planeta should be removed. Otherwise I can't call
> > uninhabited planets planeta, which is ridiculous.
>
>
> I am generally not very happy with the word. While synonyms are okay,
this
> just seems overly unnecessary whilst we have perfectly fine, functioning
> gismu for the same thing. If one were aiming for recognizability, I
would
> argue that the person being accommodated by the introduction of such
> (natural language) words (for concepts that we already can express)
should
> just learn Lojban or go away (preferably the former).

The only uses for which I can think of putting planeta would be either
trying to fuse terdi with plini in order to capture all of their
terbri (in which case a lujvo would do nicely), or for describing a rogue
planet (in which case orbital parameters and focus are somewhat
philosophically questionable and therefore plini may be arguably bad;
even in such a case, all sorts of arguments can be made for the use of
plini: delete terbri instead, form a lujvo or tanru instead, ignore it,
or simply realize that even rogue planets probably do orbit something
(just not a nearby star/massive body in many situations)).

Comment #8: Re: Redundancy
gleki (Fri Feb 14 06:26:33 2014)

krtisfranks wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > selpahi wrote:
> > > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > > selpahi wrote:
> > > > > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > > > > Is not terdi exactly equivalent?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > plini, rather.
> > > >
> > > > terdi is the planet that is home/inhabited by something. plini
> is
> > a
> > > > planet in the physical sense and is essentially the same as
mluni
> > > except
> > > > for connotations of size of body and of orbit/focus of orbit;
plini
> > and
> > > > mluni have physical characteristics pertaining to themselves and
> > > > characteristics of orbit (pertaining to their orbital system).
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, if one ever wants a demonstration of
> synonym/redundancy
> > in
> > > > baselined Lojban, plini versus mluni would be it.
> > >
> > > I think the x2 of planeta should be removed. Otherwise I can't call
> > > uninhabited planets planeta, which is ridiculous.
> >
> >
> > I am generally not very happy with the word. While synonyms are okay,
> this
> > just seems overly unnecessary whilst we have perfectly fine,
functioning
> > gismu for the same thing. If one were aiming for recognizability, I
> would
> > argue that the person being accommodated by the introduction of such
> > (natural language) words (for concepts that we already can express)
> should
> > just learn Lojban or go away (preferably the former).
>
> The only uses for which I can think of putting planeta would be either
> trying to fuse terdi with plini in order to capture all of their
> terbri (in which case a lujvo would do nicely), or for describing a
rogue
> planet (in which case orbital parameters and focus are somewhat
> philosophically questionable and therefore plini may be arguably bad;
> even in such a case, all sorts of arguments can be made for the use of
> plini: delete terbri instead, form a lujvo or tanru instead, ignore
it,
> or simply realize that even rogue planets probably do orbit something
> (just not a nearby star/massive body in many situations)).

Since mluni-plini clash is pu'o solved, since the default value of
terdi2 is equal to Sol3 planet aka "The Earth" and thus not very useful
I'm removing planeta2.

Comment #9: Re: Redundancy
gleki (Wed Nov 12 19:59:35 2014)

Definition edited. The distinction between planeta and plini added.

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