Wuzzy wrote:
> This is most certainly a calque, because a password is not neccessarily
> actually a word. Passwords should be thought as character sequences.
> Also, the language place is really annoying here, because a password
rarely
> has any meaning or belongs to a particular language.
>
> I have created lerpoijaspu as an alternative.

What about when a "password" is actually a picture, or a geometric pattern
(like on an Android phone), or a biometric?

Comment #4: Re: Calque

Wuzzy (Fri May 15 17:35:01 2015)

> What about when a "password" is actually a picture, or a geometric pattern > (like on an Android phone), or a biometric? Invent a new word for it. :P It makes sense to make a distinction between password (in the sense of ???character sequence???) and ???something you do in order to get access to a system???. But if you want to really generic (like you suggested), you might probably just use jaspu.

Comment #5: Re: Calque Alex Burka (Fri May 15 17:38:08 2015) Wuzzy wrote: > > What about when a "password" is actually a picture, or a geometric > pattern > > (like on an Android phone), or a biometric? > > Invent a new word for it. :P Yeah. I am thinking there could be a (short) word for "thing you do to get access to a system", to which I could append -vla, -xra, -tai, -mivdatni, or whatever. sei ca ca'o pensi > It makes sense to make a distinction between password (in the sense of > ???character sequence???) and ???something you do in order to get access to > a system???. > But if you want to really generic (like you suggested), you might probably > just use jaspu. Comment #6: Re: Calque Wuzzy (Fri May 15 17:40:43 2015) > Yeah. I am thinking there could be a (short) word for "thing you do to get > access to a system", to which I could append -vla, -xra, -tai, -mivdatni, > or whatever. sei ca ca'o pensi jaspu sounds like a good candidate for this. One of the glosses of jaspu: permit ; artifact or document rendering something allowed or legal Comment #7: Re: Calque Alex Burka (Fri May 15 17:59:25 2015) Wuzzy wrote: > > > Yeah. I am thinking there could be a (short) word for "thing you do to > get > > access to a system", to which I could append -vla, -xra, -tai, -mivdatni, > > > or whatever. sei ca ca'o pensi > > jaspu sounds like a good candidate for this. > > One of the glosses of jaspu: > > permit ; artifact or document rendering something allowed or legal Now we have gone in a circle :) mu'a japyvla, japxra, japmo'a, japmivdatni .i'epei Comment #8: Re: Calque Wuzzy (Fri May 15 18:17:12 2015) > Now we have gone in a circle :) mu'a japyvla, japxra, japmo'a, > japmivdatni .i'epei First, I think jaspu should be at the end, because all these things are more ???types of??? jaspu instead of ???types of picture??? (for example). Second, I disagree with japyvla for the reasons I have already stated (valsi was the problem, not jaspu). Comment #9: Re: Calque gleki (Fri May 15 19:09:42 2015) durka42 wrote: > Wuzzy wrote: > > > What about when a "password" is actually a picture, or a geometric > > pattern > > > (like on an Android phone), or a biometric? > > > > Invent a new word for it. :P > > Yeah. I am thinking there could be a (short) word for "thing you do to get > access to a system", to which I could append -vla, -xra, -tai, -mivdatni, > or whatever. sei ca ca'o pensi > > > It makes sense to make a distinction between password (in the sense of > > ???character sequence???) and ???something you do in order to get access > to > > a system???. > > But if you want to really generic (like you suggested), you might > probably > > just use jaspu. For Tatoeba and Vivaldi I always used cmene/ckiku for "login"/"password". I dont see any metaphorics here. Just ckiku needs to be defined broader in English without limiting to things that one can touch.