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Discussion of "xrotu"
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Comment #3: Re: Why the symmetry?
gleki (Fri Mar 20 07:05:54 2015)

selckiku wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > I think that one can be affectionate with something that
> > does not reciprocate.
> Ta'o, this adversarial format isn't actually appropriate for sensitive
> subjects. It would generally be considered appropriate in such a small
> group situation to say something kind before criticizing someone else's
> work in such a manner and I think we'd do well to adopt such a custom
> as well.
> Ta'onai, it's possible to feel that you are being xrotu with something or

> someone who doesn't actually experience being xrocni, but it's a
> misperception. For instance to do something that's actually harmful to
> someone isn't to be in xrotu with them simply because you feel that you
> intended to be.
> This is important to me because what I'm centrally discussing is real
> encounter, real moments of relationship. The related emotions and
> intentions are secondary to the actual mutual symmetrical (or rather,
> deeply, identity-dissolving) encounter. The actual successful encounter
> xrotu is what the emotions and intentions are about, what they're based
> upon. To merely intend that encounter is different from and less
> fundamental than truly mutually experiencing it.

Then maybe one place xrotu could be better with xrotu1 as a te sumti of
plural type.

Comment #4: Re: Why the symmetry?
Brett Williams (Fri Mar 20 17:59:00 2015)

gleki wrote:
> Then maybe one place xrotu could be better with
> xrotu1 as a te sumti of plural type.

I agree actually in theory. The problem is that it's much more important to
have it parallel the shape of gletu so they can be smoothly contrasted.
If in practice it were possible to harmonize them by having gletu change
to one plural place for its structure then that might be the way to go, but
alas both estalbished usage and natlang misintuitions weigh against that

It's also not clear yet how exactly these structures relate to events of
gletu or xrotu with more than two participants. It could be that
additional participants can get additional places and they're actually
infinite arity. I guess that's what I'd prefer, but again that requires
some change to our established intuitions.

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