jbovlaste
a lojban dictionary editing system
User:
Pass:

Home
Get A Printable Dictionary
Search Best Words
Recent Changes
How You Can Help
valsi - All
valsi - Preferred Only
natlang - All
natlang - Preferred Only
Languages
XML Export
user Listing
Report Bugs
Utilities
Status
Help
Admin Request
Create Account
Discussion of "jifmlu"
[parent] [root]
Comment #1: Why this definition is better
Wuzzy (Tue Dec 9 18:10:33 2014)

This definition is better IMO because it better reflects simlu.
Definition #63911 however just drops sumti of the tertau for no apparent
reason.
This definition has, unlike #63911, already been used to create another
lujvo: jifmluske for pseudo-science.

Comment #2: Re: Why this definition is better
Ilmen (Tue Dec 9 18:24:46 2014)

Wuzzy wrote:
> This definition is better IMO because it better reflects simlu.
> Definition #63911 however just drops sumti of the tertau for no apparent
> reason.
> This definition has, unlike #63911, already been used to create another
> lujvo: jifmluske for pseudo-science.

All the sumti slots of jitfa are now present (I forgot the x2 of jitfa
on my first edition).

The definition #57312 isn't jvajvo (if it were, simlu-2 would be filled
with «lo ka ce'u jitfa...», and thus jifmlu-1 would be a du'u sumti (as
in the definition #63911).
However that's not what I'm most concerned about: the biggest problem with
#57312 is that it doesn't parallel jetmlu, which has 91 usage hits in la
korpora zei sisku, neither faumlu (49 usage hits). As for jifmlu, it
currently has no usage in the Lojban corpus.

Comment #3: Re: Why this definition is better
Ilmen (Tue Dec 9 18:27:23 2014)

Ilmen wrote:
> However that's not what I'm most concerned about: the biggest problem
with
> #57312 is that it doesn't parallel jetmlu, which has 91 usage hits in
la
> korpora zei sisku, neither faumlu (49 usage hits). As for jifmlu, it
> currently has no usage in the Lojban corpus.


http://korp.alexburka.com/#?cqp=[]&stats_reduce=word&page=0&search=word|je
tmlu

http://korp.alexburka.com/#?cqp=[]&stats_reduce=word&page=0&search=word|fa
umlu

Comment #4: Re: Why this definition is better
Wuzzy (Tue Dec 9 19:04:26 2014)

Sigh. OK. I changed my mind.

There goes the definition for “pseudo”. Probably I have to find a
different word for this.

And I am not sure what to do with jifmluske then.

Comment #5: Re: Why this definition is better
Ilmen (Tue Dec 9 20:21:01 2014)

Wuzzy wrote:
> Sigh. OK. I changed my mind.
>
> There goes the definition for “pseudo”. Probably I have to find a
> different word for this.
>
> And I am not sure what to do with jifmluske then.

Hmm as for the concept of "pseudo-", jvojva rules would probably gives
something like "mlujvenarkai" (X seems to have property Y to Z but has not
property Y), although that's a little long.
"skemlu" would be "X seems to be a science....", without saying whether it
actually is a science.

Maybe "jifske" would make it, as "science of falseness" doesn't seem a
very useful interpretation for this word.
But it could be a little weird if "jetske" gets used for "epistemology" or
something.
"nalske" is also an option.

Comment #6: Re: Why this definition is better
Alex Burka (Wed Dec 10 05:32:54 2014)

Ilmen wrote:
> Wuzzy wrote:
> > Sigh. OK. I changed my mind.
> >
> > There goes the definition for “pseudo”. Probably I have to find a
> > different word for this.
> >
> > And I am not sure what to do with jifmluske then.
>
> Hmm as for the concept of "pseudo-", jvojva rules would probably gives
> something like "mlujvenarkai" (X seems to have property Y to Z but has
not
> property Y), although that's a little long.
> "skemlu" would be "X seems to be a science....", without saying whether
it
> actually is a science.
>
> Maybe "jifske" would make it, as "science of falseness" doesn't seem a
> very useful interpretation for this word.
> But it could be a little weird if "jetske" gets used for "epistemology"
or
> something.
> "nalske" is also an option.

.i'e I like "nalske" or "norske".

Currently, jbovlaste will accept data for 70 languages.
You are not logged in.

  recent changes jbovlaste main
This is jbovlaste, the lojban dictionary system.
The main code was last changed on Wed 07 Oct 2020 05:54:55 PM PDT.
All content is public domain. By submitting content, you agree to place it in the public domain to the fullest extent allowed by local law.
jbovlaste is an official project of the logical language group, and is now headed by Robin Lee Powell.
E-mail him if you have any questions.
care to log in?