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Discussion of "poi'i"
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Comment #5: Re: ???
Lorenzo Von Matterhorn (Tue Apr 15 20:07:57 2014)

You cannot replace lo with da and expect a reasonable result.

Your sentences break because of that.

If you are looking for an alternative expansion, it would be ckaji be lo
ka ce'u goi ko'a zo'u
(and then each ko'a does what ke'a does with
poi'i).

Introducing a da (even if you were to find a way to make it work) has
the additional drawback of wasting a variable. But here it simply doesn't
work. Not only does it have the wrong semantics, it also breaks as soon as
the x1 is plural.

Also, only because something can be expressed otherwise doesn't mean it is
bad not to, or to look for different ways which have other advantages. A
lot of cmavo in Lojban are shortcuts, but they are still good because they
are so convenient and so commonly needed.

Comment #6: Re: ???
Lorenzo Von Matterhorn (Tue Apr 15 20:11:07 2014)

Due to formatting mistake, here is the equivalence again:

poi'i = "ckaji be lo ka ce'u goi ko'a zo'u"

Comment #7: Re: ???
Wuzzy (Tue Apr 15 23:10:13 2014)

> poi'i = "ckaji be lo ka ce'u goi ko'a zo'u"
This does not look like grammatically correct Lojban to me. How could you
possibly place a “be” after a brivla?
Please give an example, maybe I misunderstood something.

> You cannot replace lo with da and expect a reasonable result.
> Your sentences break because of that.

> Not only does it have the wrong semantics, it also breaks as soon as the
x1 is plural.
I don’t see what’s wrong here. Please elaborate.

I don’t see how my rewrites differ in meaning from the poi'i examples.
If you think my sentences differ in meaning, then tell me please what they
mean to you. To me my rewrites mean the same as the “poi'i” examples.
Maybe it could also be the case that I simply did still not grasp how
“poi'i” works (or how it is supposed to work). :(

Comment #9: Re: ???
Lorenzo Von Matterhorn (Wed Apr 16 20:28:26 2014)

Wuzzy wrote:
> > poi'i = "ckaji be lo ka ce'u goi ko'a zo'u"
> This does not look like grammatically correct Lojban to me. How could
you
> possibly place a “be” after a brivla?

be *only* works after brivla. It's a selbri operation.

"broda be X [be'o]" is a selbri with the broda2 prefilled with X.

I might answer your other questions later.

Comment #10: Re: ???
Curtis W Franks (Thu Dec 25 02:17:13 2014)

selpahi wrote:
> Wuzzy wrote:
> > > poi'i = "ckaji be lo ka ce'u goi ko'a zo'u"
> > This does not look like grammatically correct Lojban to me. How could
> you
> > possibly place a “be” after a brivla?
>
> be *only* works after brivla. It's a selbri operation.
>
> "broda be X [be'o]" is a selbri with the broda2 prefilled with X.
>
> I might answer your other questions later.

Ding! (Just a reminder)

Comment #8: Re: ???
gleki (Wed Apr 16 05:35:06 2014)

selpahi wrote:
> Due to formatting mistake, here is the equivalence again:
>
> poi'i = "ckaji be lo ka ce'u goi ko'a zo'u"


uasai i e'u do jmina lo lojbo ve ciksi JVS

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