jbovlaste
a lojban dictionary editing system
User:
Pass:

Home
Get A Printable Dictionary
Search Best Words
Recent Changes
How You Can Help
valsi - All
valsi - Preferred Only
natlang - All
natlang - Preferred Only
Languages
XML Export
user Listing
Report Bugs
Utilities
Status
Help
Admin Request
Create Account
Discussion of "tamsmi"
[parent] [root]
Comment #9: Re: Fourth place.
Robin Lee Powell (Mon Nov 22 20:55:05 2004)

xorxes wrote:
> rlpowell wrote:
> > da tamsmi de lo bolci tu'a lo nenri .i ku'i da tamsmi de lo bliku tu'a
> lo
> > bartu
>
> Well, that would be:
>
> da e de tamsmi lo bolci tu'a lo nenri i ku'i da e de
> tamsmi lo bliku tu'a lo bartu
>
> so that doesn't really make it more clear.
>
> > Certainly in the first case you wouldn't say that da and de both
> resemble
> > an (idealized) ball?
>
> Why not? They both look like balls in their outsides.

No, on their *insides*.

> What else could it mean to say that they resemble each
> other in that they have the outer shape of a ball?

Because they are round on the inside.

> > Besidse, the point is that the x3 is a platonic ideal; nothing
*really*
> > resembles it, it's more of a concept.
>
> But why make it so complicated?

Because this is how the ma'oste currently defines it!

Jesus, is a little backwards compatibility worth *this* much of a fight?

-Robin

Comment #10: Re: Fourth place.
Jorge Llambias (Mon Nov 22 21:13:54 2004)

rlpowell wrote:
> xorxes wrote:
> > rlpowell wrote:
> > > Certainly in the first case you wouldn't say that da and de both
> > resemble
> > > an (idealized) ball?
> >
> > Why not? They both look like balls in their outsides.
>
> No, on their *insides*.

Right. The point is the same.

> > What else could it mean to say that they resemble each
> > other in that they have the outer shape of a ball?
>
> Because they are round on the inside.

All right: What else could it mean to say that they resemble each other in
that they have the inner
shape of a ball?

> > But why make it so complicated?
>
> Because this is how the ma'oste currently defines it!
>
> Jesus, is a little backwards compatibility worth *this* much of a fight?

I don't care all that much how tamsmi ends up being
defined. As I said, it is unlikely that the word will
ever be actually used. But I won't write definitions
that I think are wrong just because they appear in
the ma'oste. Since we can have two competing
definitions here, there is no need to fight. People
who want to keep the ma'oste definition can vote for
it, and those who don't think it makes much sense can
vote for something else. I wouldn't even be sure how
to write the ma'oste definition in Lojban.

mi'e xorxes

Comment #11: Re: Fourth place.
Robin Lee Powell (Mon Nov 22 21:48:09 2004)

> > > But why make it so complicated?
> >
> > Because this is how the ma'oste currently defines it!
> >
> > Jesus, is a little backwards compatibility worth *this* much of a
fight?
>
> I don't care all that much how tamsmi ends up being
> defined. As I said, it is unlikely that the word will
> ever be actually used. But I won't write definitions
> that I think are wrong just because they appear in
> the ma'oste. Since we can have two competing
> definitions here, there is no need to fight. People
> who want to keep the ma'oste definition can vote for
> it, and those who don't think it makes much sense can
> vote for something else.

That's a lovely idea, except that the ma'oste defines "te tai" and "ve
tai", and I'm doing the section that has them.

> I wouldn't even be sure how
> to write the ma'oste definition in Lojban.

x1 cu simsa x2 fi'o tarmi x3 x4

-Robin

Currently, jbovlaste will accept data for 70 languages.
You are not logged in.

  recent changes jbovlaste main
This is jbovlaste, the lojban dictionary system.
The main code was last changed on Wed 07 Oct 2020 05:54:55 PM PDT.
All content is public domain. By submitting content, you agree to place it in the public domain to the fullest extent allowed by local law.
jbovlaste is an official project of the logical language group, and is now headed by Robin Lee Powell.
E-mail him if you have any questions.
care to log in?