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Discussion of "zei'ei"
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Comment #1:
Do you actually need this particular word?
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Brett Williams (Sun Jan 25 23:21:48 2015)
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This explanation seems vaguely interesting but it certainly isn't sufficient for anyone to put this word into practical use, is it? Has this word yet been used? Could you provide an example?
I thought of using this sound for the simpler meaning of concatenating two shorter lujvo in order to more easily pronounce clajvo, an actual problem I've actually encountered in my actual daily use of Lojban. Is there any good reason I shouldn't take this sound? Do you actually need this particular sound for this? Could you please ask experienced Lojbanists in the future before claiming a sound whether we think it's appropriate for the use you're proposing it for, before making the proposal as formally as entering it into a dictionary?
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Comment #2:
Re: Do you actually need this particular word?
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Curtis W Franks (Mon Jan 26 01:13:36 2015)
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selckiku wrote: > This explanation seems vaguely interesting but it certainly isn't > sufficient for anyone to put this word into practical use, is it? Has this > word yet been used? Could you provide an example? > > I thought of using this sound for the simpler meaning of concatenating two > shorter lujvo in order to more easily pronounce clajvo, an actual problem > I've actually encountered in my actual daily use of Lojban. Is there any > good reason I shouldn't take this sound? Do you actually need this > particular sound for this? Could you please ask experienced Lojbanists in > the future before claiming a sound whether we think it's appropriate for > the use you're proposing it for, before making the proposal as formally as > entering it into a dictionary?
Another comment thread discusses its usefulness in a little detail.
You can downvote this definition or (I think: xor) upvote an alternative definition. This dictionary is not a final product yet. I created a word that I thought would be useful. Discussion is on-going, which is perfectly fine; conflict, in fact is useful for such ironings out.
You are perfectly free to propose an alternative, although, if you think that your idea is a practicably utile and beneficial one (an opinion that I probably share at the moment), why not go for further refined simplicity and use zei'e or something of the like? Or, if you want the form zei'VV, there are several other options still open. I will not fight against you if you provide an alternative definition for this word, I do not particularly mind losing this spot (although I will probably end up proposing that another is used for the purpose that I originally proposed for this word since I do think that it is plausibly useful), but I do think that you might have better (and higher-importance) possibilities available to you. :)
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Comment #3:
Re: Do you actually need this particular word?
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Brett Williams (Mon Jan 26 02:36:04 2015)
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It's just that "zei'ei" is what occurred to me, as someone very familiar with this language. So I wondered why you chose that sound for this purpose. Does the sound matter to you? Does the sound of Lojban matter to you in general? It seems that you've just been going around claiming cmavo all day long without much regard for which sounds in particular you're squatting and how other people might feel about that.
Of course I can try to fight you for this particular word, but I don't have the energy for a fight every time I want to make a word. Before you came along and started abusing this communal resource we had a tradition of discussing cmavo amicably before adding them, and cmavo inventors would often agree to amend their ideas to accord with the will of the community. You're forcing us into this more stressful, less friendly way of deciding before it really ought to be necessary.
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