this animal has two different especies (Ambystoma mexicanum and Ambystoma
bombypellum -- http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambystoma_mexicanum ) so I
think it should have an x2

Comment #2: Re: ajolote

Pascal (Mon Mar 8 12:04:33 2010)

leos wrote: > this animal has two different especies (Ambystoma mexicanum and Ambystoma > bombypellum -- http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambystoma_mexicanum ) so I > think it should have an x2 Those taxonomic sumti can be recovered at any time with BAIs such as "sele'a" (lower categories) and "le'a" (upper categories). A brivla lacking a syntactically defined sumti item does not mean it is to lack that argument semantically. (For the same reason, the "by method", "by standard", "under condition", etc. places for certain brivla are not particularly useful but rather come to be cumbersome to memorize; these can, again, be freely recovered externally with "ta'i", "ma'i", "va'o", etc.) "species" and "breed" are quite a significant difference: reproduction cannot occur between different species, but it can between different breeds. It would be reasonable to not be ambiguous about which rank you mean when you add one of these sumti. That is to say that "species/breed" as an x2 is inadequate. We would be better off if we differentiated them: x2 for "species" and x3 for "breed". But even that is unnecessary, since "X is an axolotl of breed Y of species Z" can be expressed as "X axlte sele'a Y pe sele'a Z".

Comment #3: Re: ajolote Leo Molas (Fri Mar 12 16:04:38 2010) tijlan wrote: > leos wrote: > > this animal has two different especies (Ambystoma mexicanum and > Ambystoma > > bombypellum -- http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambystoma_mexicanum ) so I > > think it should have an x2 > > Those taxonomic sumti can be recovered at any time with BAIs such as > "sele'a" (lower categories) and "le'a" (upper categories). A brivla > lacking a syntactically defined sumti item does not mean it is to lack > that argument semantically. (For the same reason, the "by method", "by > standard", "under condition", etc. places for certain brivla are not > particularly useful but rather come to be cumbersome to memorize; these > can, again, be freely recovered externally with "ta'i", "ma'i", "va'o", > etc.) > > "species" and "breed" are quite a significant difference: reproduction > cannot occur between different species, but it can between different > breeds. It would be reasonable to not be ambiguous about which rank you > mean when you add one of these sumti. That is to say that "species/breed" > as an x2 is inadequate. We would be better off if we differentiated them: > x2 for "species" and x3 for "breed". But even that is unnecessary, since > "X is an axolotl of breed Y of species Z" can be expressed as "X axlte > sele'a Y pe sele'a Z". oki doki. I made some changes based on the explanation. Thanks. mu'o mi'e leos Comment #4: Re: ajolote Jorge Llambias (Sat Mar 13 16:15:32 2010) tijlan wrote: > > "species" and "breed" are quite a significant difference: reproduction > cannot occur between different species, but it can between different > breeds. It would be reasonable to not be ambiguous about which rank you > mean when you add one of these sumti. That is to say that "species/breed" > as an x2 is inadequate. Every single animal gismu has a "species/breed x2" place (the only exception is perhaps "remna", if we consider it an animal gismu). It is only reasonable to maintain this regularity for animal fu'ivla. Comment #5: Re: ajolote Leo Molas (Sat Mar 13 16:42:00 2010) xorxes wrote: > tijlan wrote: > > > > "species" and "breed" are quite a significant difference: reproduction > > cannot occur between different species, but it can between different > > breeds. It would be reasonable to not be ambiguous about which rank you > > mean when you add one of these sumti. That is to say that > "species/breed" > > as an x2 is inadequate. > > Every single animal gismu has a "species/breed x2" place (the only > exception is perhaps "remna", if we consider it an animal gismu). It is > only reasonable to maintain this regularity for animal fu'ivla. > well... I'm changing my spanish definition and voting my english definition, and natural selection will select the best.