gleki wrote:
> merrybot wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could
> just
> > > be
> > > > cmadi'ave'u
> > >
> > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules.
> With
> > > rafybri this is changed
> >
> >
> > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and
besides
> > dictionaries and asking exist
>
>
> Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.


there's no difference morphologically

Comment #10: Re: also how do you even use this word

gleki (Mon Jan 29 02:22:49 2024)

merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could > > just > > > > be > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > > With > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > besides > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > there's no difference morphologically If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a deep gismu structure.

Comment #12: Re: also how do you even use this word evie (Mon Jan 29 05:25:56 2024) gleki wrote: > merrybot wrote: > > gleki wrote: > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma > could > > > just > > > > > be > > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > > > With > > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > > besides > > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > > > > there's no difference morphologically > > > If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a > rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a > deep gismu structure. zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'eJVEkemsefsyda'atoiflike'eJVEjagborkemjilryJV Esefsyborxenze'a (link: zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'ejvekemsefsyda'atoiflike'ejvejagborkemjilryj vesefsyborxenze'a) contains several jve rafsi but is not a rafybrisni Comment #13: Re: also how do you even use this word la gleki noi jmina lo ponjo smuni (Mon Jan 29 09:02:10 2024) merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma > > could > > > > just > > > > > > be > > > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo > rules. > > > > With > > > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > > > besides > > > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > > > > > > > there's no difference morphologically > > > > > > If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a > > rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a > > deep gismu structure. > > zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'eJVEkemsefsyda'atoiflike'eJVEjagborkemjilryJV > Esefsyborxenze'a (link: > zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'ejvekemsefsyda'atoiflike'ejvejagborkemjilryj > vesefsyborxenze'a) contains several jve rafsi but is not a rafybrisni I thought the explanation was clear enough what rafybri is. rafybri is just bridi compressed into lujvo that is unambiguously translated into a bridi. ve'urzvocma = vecnu fo su'o da xi rau cmalu cmajvemle = cmalu je melbi

Comment #11: Re: also how do you even use this word

gleki (Mon Jan 29 02:22:56 2024)

merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could > > just > > > > be > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > > With > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > besides > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > there's no difference morphologically If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a deep gismu structure.