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Discussion of "rafybri"
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Comment #5: Re: also how do you even use this word
evie (Sat Jan 27 17:50:51 2024)

gleki wrote:
> merrybot wrote:
> >
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ


i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just be
cmadi'ave'u

Comment #6: Re: also how do you even use this word
gleki (Sat Jan 27 18:33:19 2024)

merrybot wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > merrybot wrote:
> > >
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
>
>
> i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just
be
> cmadi'ave'u

You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. With
rafybri this is changed

Comment #7: Re: also how do you even use this word
evie (Sat Jan 27 19:19:37 2024)

gleki wrote:
> merrybot wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > merrybot wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> >
> >
> > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just
> be
> > cmadi'ave'u
>
> You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. With
> rafybri this is changed


lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and besides
dictionaries and asking exist

Comment #8: Re: also how do you even use this word
gleki (Sun Jan 28 07:49:54 2024)

merrybot wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > merrybot wrote:
> > > gleki wrote:
> > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > >
> > >
> > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could
just
> > be
> > > cmadi'ave'u
> >
> > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules.
With
> > rafybri this is changed
>
>
> lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and besides
> dictionaries and asking exist


Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.

Comment #9: Re: also how do you even use this word
evie (Mon Jan 29 00:40:23 2024)

gleki wrote:
> merrybot wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could
> just
> > > be
> > > > cmadi'ave'u
> > >
> > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules.
> With
> > > rafybri this is changed
> >
> >
> > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and
besides
> > dictionaries and asking exist
>
>
> Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.


there's no difference morphologically

Comment #10: Re: also how do you even use this word
gleki (Mon Jan 29 02:22:49 2024)

merrybot wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > merrybot wrote:
> > > gleki wrote:
> > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma
could
> > just
> > > > be
> > > > > cmadi'ave'u
> > > >
> > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules.
> > With
> > > > rafybri this is changed
> > >
> > >
> > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and
> besides
> > > dictionaries and asking exist
> >
> >
> > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.
>
>
> there's no difference morphologically


If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a
rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a
deep gismu structure.

Comment #12: Re: also how do you even use this word
evie (Mon Jan 29 05:25:56 2024)

gleki wrote:
> merrybot wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma
> could
> > > just
> > > > > be
> > > > > > cmadi'ave'u
> > > > >
> > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo
rules.
> > > With
> > > > > rafybri this is changed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and
> > besides
> > > > dictionaries and asking exist
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.
> >
> >
> > there's no difference morphologically
>
>
> If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a
> rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a
> deep gismu structure.

zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'eJVEkemsefsyda'atoiflike'eJVEjagborkemjilryJV
Esefsyborxenze'a (link:
zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'ejvekemsefsyda'atoiflike'ejvejagborkemjilryj
vesefsyborxenze'a
) contains several jve rafsi but is not a rafybrisni

Comment #13: Re: also how do you even use this word
la gleki noi jmina lo ponjo smuni (Mon Jan 29 09:02:10 2024)

merrybot wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > merrybot wrote:
> > > gleki wrote:
> > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma
> > could
> > > > just
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > cmadi'ave'u
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo
> rules.
> > > > With
> > > > > > rafybri this is changed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and
> > > besides
> > > > > dictionaries and asking exist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.
> > >
> > >
> > > there's no difference morphologically
> >
> >
> > If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a
> > rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to
a
> > deep gismu structure.
>
>
zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'eJVEkemsefsyda'atoiflike'eJVEjagborkemjilryJV
> Esefsyborxenze'a (link:
>
zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'ejvekemsefsyda'atoiflike'ejvejagborkemjilryj
> vesefsyborxenze'a
) contains several jve rafsi but is not a rafybrisni


I thought the explanation was clear enough what rafybri is.
rafybri is just bridi compressed into lujvo that is unambiguously
translated into a bridi.

ve'urzvocma = vecnu fo su'o da xi rau cmalu

cmajvemle = cmalu je melbi

Comment #11: Re: also how do you even use this word
gleki (Mon Jan 29 02:22:56 2024)

merrybot wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > merrybot wrote:
> > > gleki wrote:
> > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > > merrybot wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma
could
> > just
> > > > be
> > > > > cmadi'ave'u
> > > >
> > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules.
> > With
> > > > rafybri this is changed
> > >
> > >
> > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and
> besides
> > > dictionaries and asking exist
> >
> >
> > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular.
>
>
> there's no difference morphologically


If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a
rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a
deep gismu structure.

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