zva: zvati
zve: zevla
zvi: zviki

(yes the last two are unofficial but they have still eaten up rafsi space)

Comment #3: Re: some zva rafsi exist already

gleki (Sat Jan 27 17:25:17 2024)

merrybot wrote: > zva: zvati > zve: zevla > zvi: zviki > > (yes the last two are unofficial but they have still eaten up rafsi space) sorry, zva was a mistake. removed. As for zve/zvi it seems they were added AFTER the concept of rafybri was proposed. Unfortunate. One cannot even reserve this concept in jbovlaste because zve/zvi/zvo/zvu don't have corresponding gismu originally specified.

Comment #4: Re: also how do you even use this word

gleki (Sat Jan 27 17:25:58 2024)

merrybot wrote: > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ

Comment #5: Re: also how do you even use this word evie (Sat Jan 27 17:50:51 2024) gleki wrote: > merrybot wrote: > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just be cmadi'ave'u Comment #6: Re: also how do you even use this word gleki (Sat Jan 27 18:33:19 2024) merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just be > cmadi'ave'u You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. With rafybri this is changed Comment #7: Re: also how do you even use this word evie (Sat Jan 27 19:19:37 2024) gleki wrote: > merrybot wrote: > > gleki wrote: > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just > be > > cmadi'ave'u > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. With > rafybri this is changed lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and besides dictionaries and asking exist Comment #8: Re: also how do you even use this word gleki (Sun Jan 28 07:49:54 2024) merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could just > > be > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. With > > rafybri this is changed > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and besides > dictionaries and asking exist Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. Comment #9: Re: also how do you even use this word evie (Mon Jan 29 00:40:23 2024) gleki wrote: > merrybot wrote: > > gleki wrote: > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could > just > > > be > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > With > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and besides > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. there's no difference morphologically Comment #10: Re: also how do you even use this word gleki (Mon Jan 29 02:22:49 2024) merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could > > just > > > > be > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > > With > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > besides > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > there's no difference morphologically If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a deep gismu structure. Comment #12: Re: also how do you even use this word evie (Mon Jan 29 05:25:56 2024) gleki wrote: > merrybot wrote: > > gleki wrote: > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma > could > > > just > > > > > be > > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > > > With > > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > > besides > > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > > > > there's no difference morphologically > > > If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a > rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a > deep gismu structure. zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'eJVEkemsefsyda'atoiflike'eJVEjagborkemjilryJV Esefsyborxenze'a (link: zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'ejvekemsefsyda'atoiflike'ejvejagborkemjilryj vesefsyborxenze'a) contains several jve rafsi but is not a rafybrisni Comment #13: Re: also how do you even use this word la gleki noi jmina lo ponjo smuni (Mon Jan 29 09:02:10 2024) merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma > > could > > > > just > > > > > > be > > > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo > rules. > > > > With > > > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > > > besides > > > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > > > > > > > there's no difference morphologically > > > > > > If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a > > rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a > > deep gismu structure. > > zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'eJVEkemsefsyda'atoiflike'eJVEjagborkemjilryJV > Esefsyborxenze'a (link: > zgikemfi'inalka'esefsysajyke'ejvekemsefsyda'atoiflike'ejvejagborkemjilryj > vesefsyborxenze'a) contains several jve rafsi but is not a rafybrisni I thought the explanation was clear enough what rafybri is. rafybri is just bridi compressed into lujvo that is unambiguously translated into a bridi. ve'urzvocma = vecnu fo su'o da xi rau cmalu cmajvemle = cmalu je melbi Comment #11: Re: also how do you even use this word gleki (Mon Jan 29 02:22:56 2024) merrybot wrote: > gleki wrote: > > merrybot wrote: > > > gleki wrote: > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > gleki wrote: > > > > > > merrybot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/lojban/c/64L-yY8ete8/m/kgWQbXt6Q-QJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i admit i don't see why these need to exist? like venzvocma could > > just > > > > be > > > > > cmadi'ave'u > > > > > > > > You can never say if a lujvo is a jvajvo or what are jvajvo rules. > > With > > > > rafybri this is changed > > > > > > > > > lujvo need not be regular to begin with - jvonu'oblo etc - and > besides > > > dictionaries and asking exist > > > > > > Yes. Whereas rafybri are always regular. > > > there's no difference morphologically If you see jve or zve/I/o/u or fVf rafsi you immediately know it's a rafybrisni and understand you don't need a dictionary to convert it to a deep gismu structure.