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Discussion of "xy'au"
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Comment #1: Pattern
Curtis W Franks (Sat Sep 26 17:24:12 2020)

I do not really see the pattern in this series. It seems to be ("-y'au",
"-y'ei", "-y'ai"), but I am not sure why these suffixes were chosen, nor
do I understand how the first letter was chosen, nor why you stopped where
you did.

I have long thought that we should go up to twenty-three because
base-twenty-four is common (military time) and it is not too many (unlike
perhaps base-sixty).

Comment #2: Re: Pattern
Curtis W Franks (Sat Sep 26 17:33:18 2020)

krtisfranks wrote:
> I do not really see the pattern in this series. It seems to be ("-y'au",
> "-y'ei", "-y'ai"), but I am not sure why these suffixes were chosen, nor
> do I understand how the first letter was chosen, nor why you stopped
where
> you did.
>
> I have long thought that we should go up to twenty-three because
> base-twenty-four is common (military time) and it is not too many
(unlike
> perhaps base-sixty).


Actually, what I wanted to do was to generate some sort of math-based
algorithm that would allow for the bijective generation of a digit word
for every nonnegative integer according to the mathematical properties of
that actual number, so that one does not need to memorize an abritrary
list but can actually construct the meaning of the word from the word
itself (sequence of lerfu), even if one is not familiar with that
particular word; my preference would be to also single out things such as
the primes and other important integer classes (including 0 and 1 being
unique) in some way, either simultaneously or in accordance with a
prioritization scheme, or allowing for different words to mean the same
number according to current usage and context (so that the relegant
propertied are specified; this would lose bijectivity or would require
multiple such algorithms to exist and would eat up cmavo space with a
density in proportion to how many algorithms exist). I never managed it
though.

Comment #3: Re: Pattern
Ilmen (Thu Nov 26 18:25:42 2020)

krtisfranks wrote:
> I do not really see the pattern in this series. It seems to be ("-y'au",
> "-y'ei", "-y'ai"), but I am not sure why these suffixes were chosen, nor
> do I understand how the first letter was chosen, nor why you stopped
where
> you did.
>
> I have long thought that we should go up to twenty-three because
> base-twenty-four is common (military time) and it is not too many
(unlike
> perhaps base-sixty).

• no, pa, re, ci, vo, mu, xa, ze, bi, so, dau, fei, gai, jau, rei, vai,
xy'au, zy'ei, by'ai, sy'au, ny'ei, py'ai, ry'au, cy'ei, vy'ai, my'au,
xy'ei, zy'ai, by'au, sy'ei, ny'ai, py'au, ry'ei, cy'ai, vy'au, my'ei, ...

In the above sequence, the CV'VV digits are made by combining the
consonants from the 0-9 base digits with the diphthong endings from the
ten-fifteen part.
For example, py'ai begins with p- becauses 21 modulo 10 = 1, and p- is
the consonant of the base digit pa.

Comment #4: Re: Pattern
Ilmen (Thu Nov 26 18:27:42 2020)

Ilmen wrote:
> • no, pa, re, ci, vo, mu, xa, ze, bi, so, dau, fei, gai, jau, rei, vai,
> xy'au, zy'ei, by'ai, sy'au, ny'ei, py'ai, ry'au, cy'ei, vy'ai, my'au,
> xy'ei, zy'ai, by'au, sy'ei, ny'ai, py'au, ry'ei, cy'ai, vy'au, my'ei,
...
>
> In the above sequence, the CV'VV digits are made by combining the
> consonants from the 0-9 base digits with the diphthong endings from the
> ten-fifteen part.
> For example, py'ai begins with p- becauses 21 modulo 10 = 1, and p- is
> the consonant of the base digit pa.

That's certainly not the most elegant system, but it's trying to be
consistent with the patterns already present in the zero-fifteen official
digits.

Comment #5: Re: Pattern
Ilmen (Fri Nov 27 10:19:26 2020)

krtisfranks wrote:
> nor do I understand how the first letter was chosen, nor why you
stopped where you did.

I stopped at twenty-one as base twenty is the second most common number
base cross-linguistically if we ignore the hybrid base vigesimal-decimal
which is a bit more common than pur vigesimal (
https://wals.info/chapter/131 ), so this would make Lojban a little more
culturally neutral; having a digit for twenty and not just stopping at
nineteen makes the declaration of application of base twenty (e.g. with
ju'u more convenient (otherwise you need to say "in base ten × 2" or so,
unless you decide that radix declarations are always in base ten, which
isn't culturally neutral). But I think adding a digit for twenty-one was a
simple mistake of me. :)
But if going up to base twenty-four is desirable, we may add a few more in
accordance to the set pattern.

Comment #6: Re: Pattern
Ilmen (Fri Nov 27 10:20:09 2020)

s/of me/of mine

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