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krtisfranks wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > you say "altered" and "in some way". But what is abnormal and by
which
> > > standards?
> > >
> > > Coffee-drunk, tea-drunk, chocolate-drunk, drunk from lactose in milk
> ...
> > > Where is the border?
> > >
> > > As you say yourself brain produces similar substances anyway.
> > > So is "joyful from seeing a picture of Mona Lisa" an altered state?
> > >
> > > I'd rather use something like "x1 is in a state of mind x2 (property
of
>
> > > x1)" ri'a (factors follow) and another word "x1 is tranquil
> (amotional
> >
> > > state)".
> >
> > I think that it is up to the context and the judgment of the utterer. I
> am
> > purposefully vague here.
> >
> > This might be one of those "I know it when I see it" things. But, of
> > course, that is mever really good enough, objectively. There is always
> > uncertainty about the reliability of the judge (what are their rates
for
> > false positives and false negatives, for example?). And different
judges
> > may diagnose the same thing in different ways; even one judge may have
> > judgment vary based on context. And the process of judgment cannot be
> > exported/outsourced nor reproduced by objective, measurable standards
of
> > hard-definition. Even if that is not necessary, lacking a hard
definition
>
> > is unsatisfactory. But the intention of this word is to be flexible
> enough
> > to allow for all of these varied subjective definitions and judgments.
>
> In other words, the question is about where the judge decides to draw the
> line. For example: If someone drinks one beer, are they drunk? It varies
by
> person, law, and other context. How about five beers in a short amount of
> time?
>
> Is alcohol content or concentration enough to make this call? A small
> person will be affected differently from a big one. Likewise for varying
> degrees of experience. And, of course, the drink itself has a far higher
> alcohol concentration (although not necessarily content) than a human
> drinker, but it is not drunk, since it does not have a brain. Does
> drunkenness depend on behavior or physiological response?
I merely said that any state of mind can be altered, humans can't persist
in one state of mind for a long time. So maybe add "abnormal" or "medically
abnormal" or "partially unconscious" to the definition itself.
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