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Discussion of "serlaxi"
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Comment #4: Re: Connotations
Curtis W Franks (Fri Mar 25 10:42:47 2016)

gleki wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > While this definition says that it is synonymous with that of
> > "serlaximorfa", I propose the following: Pursuant to my philosophy
that
>
> > zi'evla which are derived directly from taxonomic nomenclature and
which
> > match it as well as Lojban grammar allows, especially those for which
> this
> > derivation is clear, should mean "x_1 is a member of [taxon], being of
> > subtaxon x2" (possibly with a third terbri for the standard of
> > definition/classification), "serlaximorfa should take this role
(where
> > the relevant taxon is Selachimorpha) where?s this word should be more
> > generic and apply to anything which may be called a shark (even
> > colloquially) without any assertion as to scientific classification and

> > where the standard is understood to be an agreement between the utterer

> and
> > the audience (with the former dominating). This will typically be
> > approximately equivalent to taxon Chondrichthyes, but it need not be
so.
> In
> > this way, this word would be far more like "finpe" and the other
Lojban
>
> > gismu (and some other zi'evla). If my philosophy is generally adopted,
> > especially with the third terbri, the actual denotations of the words
> could
> > differ, although they would remain obviously closely related.
>
>
> I'm opposed to making any nomenclature basic.

You will have to explain what you mean by that.

>
> We have folk nomenclature like that of curnu, we have copies of
> neo-Linnaean that is official modern-days scientific nomenclature, we may

> have creationists' nomenclature and we may have something purely Lojbanic

> like tirxu.
>
> So serlaxi is more like tirxu.

I can agree that "serlaxi" is/should be more like "tirxe" than
"serlaximorfa" is. In particular, the former is/should be more
colloquial/laic. There are some differences (most notably the additional
terbri).

>
> For Lojbanizing Linnaean names a precise mechanism should be devised
> preferably making conversion back from Lojban into Latin unambiguous like

> ROT13. I'm not sure whether that is possible unless we use pseudo-rafsi
> prefixes.

I would like to work on such a project. I think that we can make guidelines
that work often, and then there might be exceptional cases that cannot be
mapped blindly. "serlaximorfa" is actually such a word: the taxon's name
is actually "Selachimorpha", without the first "r".

>
> Something like xondrixtiie would do for now IMO.

I agree.

Comment #5: Re: Connotations
gleki (Fri Mar 25 10:56:32 2016)

krtisfranks wrote:
> gleki wrote:

> > I'm opposed to making any nomenclature basic.
>
> You will have to explain what you mean by that.

ue oise'i.

I'm opposed to making any decisions regarding more appropriate or less
appropriate nomenclatures. They all have their reasoning.

> > For Lojbanizing Linnaean names a precise mechanism should be devised
> > preferably making conversion back from Lojban into Latin unambiguous
like
>
> > ROT13. I'm not sure whether that is possible unless we use pseudo-rafsi

> > prefixes.
>
> I would like to work on such a project. I think that we can make
guidelines
> that work often, and then there might be exceptional cases that cannot be

> mapped blindly. "serlaximorfa" is actually such a word: the taxon's
name
> is actually "Selachimorpha", without the first "r".

it could be tselaximorfa under la snura ideology.

https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rule:_respect_the_form_of_words

But again it won't restore Selachimorpha back. Even these x and f. How
do you know they were "ch" and "ph", why not "kh"/"h" and "f"?

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