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Discussion of "kosmu"
Comment #1:
What sort of purpose?
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Curtis W Franks (Fri Jun 19 07:33:48 2015)
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Is it like the justification and goal their existence? Like a "what is the purpose if life"/"why are we here" sort of purpose?
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Comment #2:
Re: What sort of purpose?
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Curtis W Franks (Fri Jun 19 07:35:22 2015)
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krtisfranks wrote: > Is it like the justification and goal their existence? Like a "what is the > purpose if life"/"why are we here" sort of purpose?
I guess that there actually may not be any other type, huh?
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Comment #3:
Re: What sort of purpose?
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Jonathan (Fri Jun 19 08:26:27 2015)
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It can mean that, yes. Essentially, this word is teleological; all it does is associte a "purpose" to an "object/event". It doesn't imply usage (terpli), agentive action (terzu'e), or created-purpose (terfi'i)
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Comment #4:
te kosmu
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Jonathan (Sun Jun 21 06:21:07 2015)
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Did you remove it, ctefaho? I put it there because there were some complaints about a purpose/telos existing without an attributor. Feel free to ignore it/replace it with ma'i for your subdialect if you like, but I really want to promote kosmu in standard Lojban as well.
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Comment #5:
Re: te kosmu
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Alex Burka (Mon Jun 22 03:10:06 2015)
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spheniscine wrote: > Did you remove it, ctefaho? I put it there because there were some > complaints about a purpose/telos existing without an attributor. Feel free > to ignore it/replace it with ma'i for your subdialect if you like, but I > really want to promote kosmu in standard Lojban as well.
Oh boy, an edit war! I haven't seen one of those on JVS yet...
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Comment #6:
Re: te kosmu
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Curtis W Franks (Mon Jun 22 04:50:53 2015)
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spheniscine wrote: > Did you remove it, ctefaho? I put it there because there were some > complaints about a purpose/telos existing without an attributor. Feel free > to ignore it/replace it with ma'i for your subdialect if you like, but I > really want to promote kosmu in standard Lojban as well.
I think that the attributor is good. I was actually thinking the same thing but did not want to edit it. With the attribution terbri as kosmu3, the 3-terbri version subsumed the 2-terbri version, providing functionality without back-compatibility issues or anything of the sort. If you do not want it there, delete it (using "zi'o" and/or zmico). But I do think that it should be part of the definition- I would even argue that it is generically necessary, not just useful (although that too).
I do not think that "ma'i" can be used for that purpose. A different modal for "according to/attributed by" would work, but that one is not it (I opine). Of course, I might have to much of a physicist's mindset here. Feel free to widen my perspective.
Just my two cents.
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Comment #7:
Re: te kosmu
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Jonathan (Mon Jun 22 09:42:09 2015)
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I only understood about half of that; but I am starting to have my doubts about ma'i as well. Perhaps a BAI for fi'o jinvi might be useful.
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