durka42 wrote:
> > It won't change since there is no zi'o generator there. su'ai is
> one.
>
> Hmm so su'ai modifies the behavior of the following connective so that
> it no longer connects things but just attaches to the sumti before it.
But
> if su'ai has that power it can't be in SE, since the grammar will
treat
> "su'ai jo" the same way as "se ju".

There's no winning when working with undocumented wiki syntax, is there.
See above quote for corrected version.

Comment #17: Re: Interaction with Modals and Connectives

gleki (Mon Dec 29 06:53:43 2014)

durka42 wrote: > durka42 wrote: > > > It won't change since there is no zi'o generator there. su'ai is > > one. > > > > Hmm so su'ai modifies the behavior of the following connective so that > > it no longer connects things but just attaches to the sumti before it. > But > > if su'ai has that power it can't be in SE, since the grammar will > treat > > "su'ai jo" the same way as "se ju". > > There's no winning when working with undocumented wiki syntax, is there. > See above quote for corrected version. su'ai deletes x2 in selbri and moves its value into a unified x1 where former x1 and x2 are connected using ce or jo'u depending on your dialect. It works exactly the same with connectives: x2 is deleted. SE changes selbri and that's what is needed here: a new selbri with a new place structure appears. If it can't be in SE then okay. Neither it put syntactically a zi'o into x2 since zi'o can be reached with fe but in "su'ai broda" former x2 can never be reached again. So su'ai is rather similar to "zil-" but not zi'o.

Comment #18: Re: Interaction with Modals and Connectives gleki (Mon Feb 16 16:42:35 2015) gleki wrote: > durka42 wrote: > > > Hmm so su'ai modifies the behavior of the following connective so > that > > > it no longer connects things but just attaches to the sumti before it. > > But > > > if su'ai has that power it can't be in SE, since the grammar will > > treat > > > "su'ai jo" the same way as "se ju". > > > > SE changes selbri and that's what is needed here: a new selbri with a new > place structure appears. > > If it can't be in SE then okay. Neither it put syntactically a zi'o into > x2 since zi'o can be reached with fe but in "su'ai broda" former x2 can > never be reached again. > > So su'ai is rather similar to "zil-" but not zi'o. xorxes thinks that it's okay to be in SE since e.g. zo'e and zi'o are both in SE. Not even a subselmaho since zi'o and zo'e are both in koha7. Thus somewhere in subsubselmaho. And of course in su'ai jo the word su'ai modifies jo.