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Discussion of "su'ai"
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Comment #7: Re: Interaction with Modals and Connectives
Curtis W Franks (Wed Dec 24 18:56:57 2014)

gleki wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > 2) What does «su'ai JE» (for example) mean, if anything? This case
is
> > less obvious to me in general. It is possible that it does not mean
> > anything, despite the syntactic allowance that its classification as
SE
> > provides (confer «by te .e cy»), but I again want to check.
>
> This question would be rather applied to su'ei that doesn't
merge/remove
> any places.

Well, what does «zi'o» do with «.e»?

Comment #8: Re: Interaction with Modals and Connectives
gleki (Wed Dec 24 19:28:47 2014)

krtisfranks wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > 2) What does «su'ai JE» (for example) mean, if anything?
This case
> is
> > > less obvious to me in general. It is possible that it does not mean
> > > anything, despite the syntactic allowance that its classification as
> SE
> > > provides (confer «by te .e cy»), but I again want to check.
> >
> > This question would be rather applied to su'ei that doesn't
> merge/remove
> > any places.
>
> Well, what does «zi'o» do with «.e»?

you mean what is that in JA that gets deleted (zi'o-fied) with su'ai?
It should result from "i broda jo brode vau" to
"i broda su'ai jo vau" since jo can't have any third place since
connectives can take two and only two arguments.

Here both of them are merged into one, the second argument is zi'ofied.
Still, it's understandable: "It brodas only and only if all members
broda".


Still I don't think it can have any reasonable usage except artistic one.
su'ai is primarily necessary for simxu-relations where the number of
participants >=3.
For simxu itself, tavysi'u it's useless.
For "uinai they it is not reciprocal" brivla like tavla and jikca the
sibling particle su'ei is to be used (saves one syllable compared to
su'ai).

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