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Discussion of "su'ei"
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Comment #5: Re: interaction with JA/A
Curtis W Franks (Wed Dec 24 19:10:33 2014)

gleki wrote:
> se je = je. se exchanges the order of first two places.
>
> broda je brode = brode se je broda
>
> su'ei je. su'ei retains the order + exchanges the order + makes two
> previous meanings joined with je since "su'ei = se xi vei pa *.e* re".
>
> So "su'ei je" is just "[broda je brode] je ke [brode je broda] ke'e"
>
> With other prepositions it should become more interesting:
>
> "su'ei jonai" is "[broda jonai brode] je ke [brode jonai broda] ke'e"
> Should we assume that this is self-contradiction or it's the same as
> "broda jonai brode"?
>
> "su'ei ju" is "[cadzu ju citka] je ke [citka ju cadzu] ke'e"
>
> Walking only and only if eating, and eating only and only if eating.


What about with nonlogical connectives? Reciprocity might be useful or at
least interesting in masses, jointness, and "respectively" phrases and
/might might/ be so for sequences and some operations on sets.

Comment #7: Re: interaction with JA/A
gleki (Wed Dec 24 19:32:14 2014)

krtisfranks wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > se je = je. se exchanges the order of first two places.
> >
> > broda je brode = brode se je broda
> >
> > su'ei je. su'ei retains the order + exchanges the order + makes
two
> > previous meanings joined with je since "su'ei = se xi vei pa *.e*
re".
> >
> > So "su'ei je" is just "[broda je brode] je ke [brode je broda] ke'e"
> >
> > With other prepositions it should become more interesting:
> >
> > "su'ei jonai" is "[broda jonai brode] je ke [brode jonai broda] ke'e"
> > Should we assume that this is self-contradiction or it's the same as
> > "broda jonai brode"?
> >
> > "su'ei ju" is "[cadzu ju citka] je ke [citka ju cadzu] ke'e"
> >
> > Walking only and only if eating, and eating only and only if eating.
>
>
> What about with nonlogical connectives? Reciprocity might be useful or
at
> least interesting in masses, jointness, and "respectively" phrases and
> /might might/ be so for sequences and some operations on sets.

"mi do su'ei prami" expands into "mi do prami ije do mi prami" which
breaks "Don't copy yourself" programmer's rule but isn't that
mind-breaking as su'ei or "se xi vei pa e re".

It's better to start from these expansions and at some more readable place
like mriste rather than this forum.

Or you can have my another shorter answer for this:
mi na pu pensi tu'a lo nalylogji terjonma'o vau u'iru'e

Comment #8: Re: interaction with JA/A
gleki (Wed Dec 24 20:13:24 2014)

gleki wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > What about with nonlogical connectives? Reciprocity might be useful or
> at
> > least interesting in masses, jointness, and "respectively" phrases and
> > /might might/ be so for sequences and some operations on sets.
>
> "mi do su'ei prami" expands into "mi do prami ije do mi prami" which
> breaks "Don't copy yourself" programmer's rule but isn't that
> mind-breaking as su'ei or "se xi vei pa e re".
>
> It's better to start from these expansions and at some more readable
place
> like mriste rather than this forum.
>
> Or you can have my another shorter answer for this:
> mi na pu pensi tu'a lo nalylogji terjonma'o vau u'iru'e


we should distinguish between symmetrical connectives like je, joi, ce,
jo'u, ju'e, bi'i, ku'a, pi'u, jo'e
and assymetric like
ja, jo, ju, bi'o, mi'i, ce'o, fa'u.

mi su'eifa'u do citka lo plise (su'ei) fa'u lo perli = Each of us eats
both an apple and a pear.
su'eimi'i can be for people living in 3d space inside a 4d hypercube thus
every point for them is the centre and the surroundings.
bi'o and ce'o can probably be used for describing oscilations.

as for ce'oi i dont know what it means.

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