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Discussion of "adverbu"

Comment #1: The most important adverbs of all
Michael Turniansky (Mon Aug 24 13:53:24 2015)

First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not a
fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is about
your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in Russian
than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions as
adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that are not.
Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to think of
SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic adverbs
would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g. TAhE). But
the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which, yes, can
also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought of as
either a noun or verb):
mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house is
dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)

Comment #2: Re: The most important adverbs of all
gleki (Mon Aug 24 13:59:11 2015)

gejyspa wrote:
> First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not a
> fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is about
> your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in
Russian
> than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions as
> adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
> prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that are not.

> Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to think
of
> SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic adverbs
> would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g. TAhE).

Well, this definition was written long ago based on discussion in IRC.
Looks like indeed it combined everything leading to a mess.

Adverbs are either sumsmi without an argument explicitley filled or tag in
selbri = tag? selbri-1
rule.

By SEI-clauses it was probably meant xoi, not sei.


> But
> the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which, yes, can
> also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought of as
> either a noun or verb):
> mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)

Nope. Totally not. Those are compound verbs in English. Like "drip fry".
It's a common misconception that they are adverbs or adjectives.

Adjectives are what is NOI-clauses and NE-constructs but not seltau.

They are just commonly *translated* as adjectives or adverbs since in
English compound verbs are not that widely used.

Comment #3: The most important adverbs of all
Michael Turniansky (Fri Aug 28 19:10:50 2015)

First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not a
fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is about
your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in Russian
than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions as
adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that are not.
Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to think of
SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic adverbs
would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g. TAhE). But
the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which, yes, can
also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought of as
either a noun or verb):
mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house is
dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)

Comment #4: Re: The most important adverbs of all
gleki (Fri Aug 28 19:57:05 2015)

gejyspa wrote:
> First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not a
> fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is about
> your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in
Russian
> than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions as
> adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
> prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that are not.

> Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to think
of
> SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic adverbs
> would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g. TAhE).
But
> the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which, yes, can
> also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought of as
> either a noun or verb):
> mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house is
> dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)


ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte

Comment #5: Re: The most important adverbs of all
Michael Turniansky (Mon Aug 31 22:21:38 2015)

gleki wrote:
> gejyspa wrote:
> > First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not a
> > fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is about

> > your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in
> Russian
> > than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions as
> > adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
> > prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that are
not.
>
> > Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to
think
> of
> > SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic adverbs
> > would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g. TAhE).
> But
> > the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which, yes,
can
> > also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought of as

> > either a noun or verb):
> > mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> > lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house is
> > dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)
>
>
> ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte


uanai

Comment #6: Re: The most important adverbs of all
gleki (Tue Sep 1 06:03:57 2015)

gejyspa wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > gejyspa wrote:
> > > First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not a

> > > fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is
about
>
> > > your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in
> > Russian
> > > than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions as

> > > adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
> > > prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that are
> not.
> >
> > > Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to
> think
> > of
> > > SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic
adverbs
> > > would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g. TAhE).

> > But
> > > the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which, yes,
> can
> > > also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought of
as
>
> > > either a noun or verb):
> > > mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> > > lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house is
> > > dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)
> >
> >
> > ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte
>
>
> uanai


http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
id=2496;definition=56485

http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
id=2514;definition=56485

la'a samselpla nabmi

Comment #7: Re: The most important adverbs of all
Michael Turniansky (Tue Sep 1 13:35:18 2015)

gleki wrote:
> gejyspa wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > gejyspa wrote:
> > > > First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo, not
a
>
> > > > fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is
> about
> >
> > > > your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different in
> > > Russian
> > > > than in English, I think you are off the mark about what functions
as
>
> > > > adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
> > > > prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that
are
> > not.
> > >
> > > > Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult to
> > think
> > > of
> > > > SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic
> adverbs
> > > > would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g.
TAhE).
>
> > > But
> > > > the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which,
yes,
> > can
> > > > also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought
of
> as
> >
> > > > either a noun or verb):
> > > > mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> > > > lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house
is
> > > > dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)
> > >
> > >
> > > ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte
> >
> >
> > uanai
>
>
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> id=2496;definition=56485
>
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> id=2514;definition=56485
>
> la'a samselpla nabmi


li'a go'i .i la'a cu'i rinka fa lo nu mi pilno la'oi The Great Suspender
.i la'a cu'i lo kibro selfendi za'ure'u
samru'e

Comment #8: Re: The most important adverbs of all
gleki (Tue Sep 1 13:43:54 2015)

gejyspa wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > gejyspa wrote:
> > > gleki wrote:
> > > > gejyspa wrote:
> > > > > First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo,
not
> a
> >
> > > > > fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint is

> > about
> > >
> > > > > your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different
in
> > > > Russian
> > > > > than in English, I think you are off the mark about what
functions
> as
> >
> > > > > adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of are
> > > > > prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita that
> are
> > > not.
> > > >
> > > > > Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult
to
> > > think
> > > > of
> > > > > SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic
> > adverbs
> > > > > would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g.
> TAhE).
> >
> > > > But
> > > > > the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which,
> yes,
> > > can
> > > > > also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be thought

> of
> > as
> > >
> > > > > either a noun or verb):
> > > > > mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> > > > > lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white house

> is
> > > > > dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte
> > >
> > >
> > > uanai
> >
> >
> >
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> > id=2496;definition=56485
> >
> >
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> > id=2514;definition=56485
> >
> > la'a samselpla nabmi
>
>
> li'a go'i .i la'a cu'i rinka fa lo nu mi pilno la'oi The Great Suspender

> .i la'a cu'i lo kibro selfendi za'ure'u
> samru'e


ta'o zo la'oi na nelci pe'a me'oi kunti bu i e'u pilno zo la'o

Comment #9: Re: The most important adverbs of all
Michael Turniansky (Tue Sep 1 14:11:37 2015)

gleki wrote:
> gejyspa wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > gejyspa wrote:
> > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > gejyspa wrote:
> > > > > > First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo,

> not
> > a
> > >
> > > > > > fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint
is
>
> > > about
> > > >
> > > > > > your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different

> in
> > > > > Russian
> > > > > > than in English, I think you are off the mark about what
> functions
> > as
> > >
> > > > > > adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of
are
> > > > > > prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita
that
> > are
> > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult

> to
> > > > think
> > > > > of
> > > > > > SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic
> > > adverbs
> > > > > > would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g.
> > TAhE).
> > >
> > > > > But
> > > > > > the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which,

> > yes,
> > > > can
> > > > > > also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be
thought
>
> > of
> > > as
> > > >
> > > > > > either a noun or verb):
> > > > > > mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> > > > > > lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white
house
>
> > is
> > > > > > dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > uanai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> > > id=2496;definition=56485
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> > > id=2514;definition=56485
> > >
> > > la'a samselpla nabmi
> >
> >
> > li'a go'i .i la'a cu'i rinka fa lo nu mi pilno la'oi The Great
Suspender
>
> > .i la'a cu'i lo kibro selfendi za'ure'u
> > samru'e
>
>
> ta'o zo la'oi na nelci pe'a me'oi kunti bu i e'u pilno zo la'o

ki'e .i velsfa fi lo nu troci lo nu pilno lo ninjbovla keiku fa lo nu
srera pilno ny vau zo'o

Comment #9: Re: The most important adverbs of all
Michael Turniansky (Tue Sep 1 14:11:45 2015)

gleki wrote:
> gejyspa wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > gejyspa wrote:
> > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > gejyspa wrote:
> > > > > > First of all, I hate this word. I think it deserves a lujvo,

> not
> > a
> > >
> > > > > > fu'ivla, but that's neither here nor there. My main complaint
is
>
> > > about
> > > >
> > > > > > your note. Unless the definition of "adverb" is very different

> in
> > > > > Russian
> > > > > > than in English, I think you are off the mark about what
> functions
> > as
> > >
> > > > > > adverbs in lojban. fi'o and all the sumtcita I can think of
are
> > > > > > prepositions, not adverbs (although there might be sumtcita
that
> > are
> > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please provide an example) I would also find it very difficult

> to
> > > > think
> > > > > of
> > > > > > SEI clauses as adverbs. Things that I would class as lojbanic
> > > adverbs
> > > > > > would include some things we normally think of as tenses (e.g.
> > TAhE).
> > >
> > > > > But
> > > > > > the biggest class of all that you have missed is seltau (which,

> > yes,
> > > > can
> > > > > > also be thought of as adjectives, because a tertau can be
thought
>
> > of
> > > as
> > > >
> > > > > > either a noun or verb):
> > > > > > mi sutra bajra (I quickly run. sutra is an adverb here)
> > > > > > lo carmi blabi zdani cu ckape desku (that brilliantly white
house
>
> > is
> > > > > > dangerously shaking. carmi and ckape are adverbs here)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ue cizra i pa da zo'u do reroi benji da i xu srera se zukte
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > uanai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> > > id=2496;definition=56485
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=26616;natlangword=0;comment
> > > id=2514;definition=56485
> > >
> > > la'a samselpla nabmi
> >
> >
> > li'a go'i .i la'a cu'i rinka fa lo nu mi pilno la'oi The Great
Suspender
>
> > .i la'a cu'i lo kibro selfendi za'ure'u
> > samru'e
>
>
> ta'o zo la'oi na nelci pe'a me'oi kunti bu i e'u pilno zo la'o

ki'e .i velsfa fi lo nu troci lo nu pilno lo ninjbovla keiku fa lo nu
srera pilno ny vau zo'o

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