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Discussion of "venzula"
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Comment #3: Re: Better substitution
nestor diaz (Wed Mar 12 00:36:40 2014)

Hi, I am a newbie making fuhivla, I agree with you to the fact that venzla
appears to be a lujvo because is a 6 letter word, but on the other side i
think that the fewer gismo the better the language, because is simpler,
anyway I suppose it will be a matter of votes to decide which way to
follow, the other ones I have done are:

klombia for Colombia
kuardo for Ecuador
venzla for Venezuela or
venzula for Venezuela

naming countries with the two letter iso standard is not very intuitive,
in my opinion.

Comment #4: Re: Better substitution
gleki (Thu Mar 13 12:13:42 2014)

nestor wrote:
> Hi, I am a newbie making fuhivla, I agree with you to the fact that
venzla
> appears to be a lujvo because is a 6 letter word, but on the other side
i
> think that the fewer gismo the better the language, because is simpler,
> anyway I suppose it will be a matter of votes to decide which way to
> follow, the other ones I have done are:
>
> klombia for Colombia
> kuardo for Ecuador
> venzla for Venezuela or
> venzula for Venezuela
>
> naming countries with the two letter iso standard is not very intuitive,
> in my opinion.



don't you think ISO-fu'ivla are better?
https://drive.google.com/#folders/0Bxngu1CNj7wdVU1yVHpWV2hhM0k ?
Look at gugdevu'e.

Comment #5: Re: Better substitution
nestor diaz (Thu Mar 13 18:26:42 2014)

gleki wrote:
> don't you think ISO-fu'ivla are better?

Still in doubt, at least not for an informal conversation, maybe for
technical documents, but IMHO the country brivla should resemble a similar
name like the one we use to refer to, but I found hard to include all of
them because of lojban strict grammatical rules which I consider veeeeery
good, anyway we can refer to them like a cmene, so I think that's the best
way. This system must have a way to delete fuhivla or mark for deletion.

Comment #6: Re: Better substitution
gleki (Fri Mar 14 07:32:47 2014)

nestor wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > don't you think ISO-fu'ivla are better?
>
> Still in doubt, at least not for an informal conversation, maybe for
> technical documents, but IMHO the country brivla should resemble a
similar
> name like the one we use to refer to, but I found hard to include all of
> them because of lojban strict grammatical rules which I consider
veeeeery
> good, anyway we can refer to them like a cmene, so I think that's the
best
> way. This system must have a way to delete fuhivla or mark for
deletion.


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Comment #7: Re: Better substitution
Curtis W Franks (Sun Mar 16 08:31:18 2014)

nestor wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > don't you think ISO-fu'ivla are better?
>
> Still in doubt, at least not for an informal conversation, maybe for
> technical documents, but IMHO the country brivla should resemble a
similar
> name like the one we use to refer to […]

I think that we should treat Lojban whensoever possible as if it were
meant to become a native and only language of some large population of
speakers, as best as we can. That means that lujvo should be preferred to
zi'evla (and, in particular, fu'ivla) whensoever doing so is reasonable.
But, also, when we make zi'evla, we should do so algorithmically,
culturally-neutrally, and with as little reference to outside knowledge as
possible while being sensible, logical, and predictable about the word and
doing so. Thus, native only-lojban speakers will not presumably know the
names of countries to which we do not expose them (by having those words
in the vocabulary of Lojban); if we teach them that VE means Venezuela and
is the only word for it, then thar will be natural to them - and in fact
the systematicness of the scheme would be beneficial to them; therefore,
we should make it so. Note also that going with "VE" is just as meaningful
to someone who has never before heard it as going with "Venezuela" would
be.

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