While I like the word in general, I do not like the order of its place
structure. Why does the defining property come before the superset;
“klulei” just flipped the order from klesi. For no apparent reason. It
might be confusing to remember the lujvo’s definition.
Since this is a symmetrical lujvo, the tertau places should come in the
order of “klesi” until its places run out. See
<http://dag.github.io/cll/12/5/>.

This is easy to fix:
I created a new definition in which the place structure is in the same
order as for its tertau “klesi”.

Comment #2: Re: Irregular place structure for no apparent reason

Jonathan Kopetz (Sat Nov 30 22:33:03 2013)

Wuzzy wrote: > While I like the word in general, I do not like the order of its place > structure. Why does the defining property come before the superset; > “klulei” just flipped the order from klesi. For no apparent reason. It > might be confusing to remember the lujvo’s definition. > Since this is a symmetrical lujvo, the tertau places should come in the > order of “klesi” until its places run out. See > <http://dag.github.io/cll/12/5/>. > > This is easy to fix: > I created a new definition in which the place structure is in the same > order as for its tertau “klesi”. Okay. I flipped them in this case because I thought the defining trait was more importnat than the outer culture, which can be very nebulous. I created this term in an effort to describe fandoms of various media that have grown to such an extent as to be called a "subculture", but it is difficult to pin down to what culture they are supposed to be a subset of exactly. I realize now that it is easier to describe them just using kulnu, and save klulei for when the outer culture is less murkily defined.

Comment #3: Re: Irregular place structure for no apparent reason Wuzzy (Sun Dec 1 01:02:44 2013) Now that we have sorted that out, I think “klulei” is a good lujvo. It’s useful to express that a culture _is_ a subculture. But its equally true to say that all subcultures are cultures. Now I don’t see anything wrong with the lujvo; it is clearly defined, useful and the place structure is regular: The way lujvo should be. :-) Comment #4: Re: Irregular place structure for no apparent reason Jonathan Kopetz (Sun Dec 1 02:07:37 2013) Wuzzy wrote: > Now that we have sorted that out, I think “klulei” is a good lujvo. > > It’s useful to express that a culture _is_ a subculture. But its equally > true to say that all subcultures are cultures. > > Now I don’t see anything wrong with the lujvo; it is clearly defined, > useful and the place structure is regular: The way lujvo should be. :-) Thanks a lot for the help. This was my first addition to the list and so I was a bit nervous.