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Discussion of "tai'i"

Comment #1: Generalization or Co-Equal?
Curtis W Franks (Fri Jun 13 07:55:23 2014)

The description/notes of this word say that it is a broader term than
ci'oi and sa'ei. What does "broader" mean in this case? I would
typically think "generalizes", meaning that the other two words denote
specific types of phenomimes such as/of what this word denotes (although
this word could denote others as well). Wikipedia's article on the
Japanese sound symbolism (by that name) describes a phenomime to be a
representation of any sensory but nonaudible stimulus; meaning that
phenomimes do not generalize ideomime or phonomimes but are mmerely
another, co-equal type of mime, falling into a category of sound
representations of things. These interpretations conflict. Without
complete resolution of this issue, I propose that this word is more
clearly designated to mean exactly one of these options and another word
is created so as to mean the other.

Comment #2: Re: Generalization or Co-Equal?
Curtis W Franks (Fri Jun 13 07:58:53 2014)

krtisfranks wrote:
> phenomimes do not generalize ideomime

*psychomimes

Comment #3: Generalization or Co-Equal?
Curtis W Franks (Fri Jun 13 07:59:27 2014)

The description/notes of this word say that it is a broader term than
ci'oi and sa'ei. What does "broader" mean in this case? I would
typically think "generalizes", meaning that the other two words denote
specific types of phenomimes such as/of what this word denotes (although
this word could denote others as well). Wikipedia's article on the
Japanese sound symbolism (by that name) describes a phenomime to be a
representation of any sensory but nonaudible stimulus; meaning that
phenomimes do not generalize ideomime or phonomimes but are mmerely
another, co-equal type of mime, falling into a category of sound
representations of things. These interpretations conflict. Without
complete resolution of this issue, I propose that this word is more
clearly designated to mean exactly one of these options and another word
is created so as to mean the other.

Comment #4: Re: Generalization or Co-Equal?
guskant (Mon Jun 16 17:27:56 2014)

krtisfranks wrote:
> The description/notes of this word say that it is a broader term than
> ci'oi and sa'ei. What does "broader" mean in this case? I would
> typically think "generalizes", meaning that the other two words denote
> specific types of phenomimes such as/of what this word denotes (although
> this word could denote others as well). Wikipedia's article on the
> Japanese sound symbolism (by that name) describes a phenomime to be a
> representation of any sensory but nonaudible stimulus; meaning that
> phenomimes do not generalize ideomime or phonomimes but are mmerely
> another, co-equal type of mime, falling into a category of sound
> representations of things. These interpretations conflict. Without
> complete resolution of this issue, I propose that this word is more
> clearly designated to mean exactly one of these options and another word
> is created so as to mean the other.

tai'i includes phonomime and psychomime. The categorization of the word
"phenomime" here is broader than Wikipedia. This categorization reflects
actual usage of Japanese phenomime, phonomime and psychomime. Even
Wikipedia says that a phenomime is a representation of any sensory but
nonaudible stimulus, there are actually many cases that the border between
phenomime, phonomime and psychomime is vague. The categorization of
Wikipedia is too strict to describe practical use of language.

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