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Discussion of "selpre"
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Comment #3: Re: Place structure
Arnt Richard Johansen (Fri May 7 15:49:51 2010)

tijlan wrote:
> arj wrote:
> > But prenu doesn't have an x2.
>
> I know. I think it should have. It's just a matter of giving a place for
> what is already officially recognized as "personality/a persona" about
> prenu.

I'm not sure I understand you right. What is it about prenu that is
officially recognized as "personality/a persona"? And we can't "give"
something a place; the place structure of a gismu is fixed.

Comment #4: Re: Place structure
Pascal (Fri May 7 16:36:57 2010)

arj wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand you right. What is it about prenu that is
> officially recognized as "personality/a persona"? And we can't "give"
> something a place; the place structure of a gismu is fixed.

One of the official definitions of prenu is "x1 displays personality/a
persona". Two arguments are officially recognized/identified here: the
displayer, and the displayed. This "personality/a persona" is not defined
for its place, but it's the second argument mentioned in the very official
definition; so, if prenu were ever to have an explicit x2, it would be
this argument. The meaning of selpre should be sufficiently predictable
from the conventional definition of prenu. This is not so much changing
the place structure as defining the place of an already officially
identified argument within the established definition.

Comment #5: Re: Place structure
Arnt Richard Johansen (Fri May 7 17:00:03 2010)

tijlan wrote:
> so, if prenu were ever to have an explicit x2, it would be
> this argument.

But you agree that prenu does not currently have an x2?

That would mean changing the definition of prenu, and Jbovlaste is IMHO
not the right place to argue about that. I suggest you bring it up on
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gismu+Issues.

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