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Discussion of "nikyge'u"
Comment #1:
neither "nickle" nor "dog" is essential to this definition.
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alynpost (Sun Feb 20 17:41:34 2011)
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I don't see any mechanism by which this lujvo is a better definition for "tall-tale" than "nickle cat" or "gold dog". The definition is so arbitrary as to leave no method for which to compare it to other suggestions. It is no better than a random choice, which I consider an insufficient condition for defining a new word.
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Comment #2:
Re: neither
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Lindar Greenwood (Sun Feb 20 19:55:05 2011)
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alynpost wrote: > I don't see any mechanism by which this lujvo is a better definition for > "tall-tale" than "nickle cat" or "gold dog". The definition is so > arbitrary as to leave no method for which to compare it to other > suggestions. It is no better than a random choice, which I consider an > insufficient condition for defining a new word.
It's a culture word that I added after speaking to a few other lojbanists. We had a storytelling game, unique to our language, wot featured a nikle gerku. I'll post the rules to the Lojban list, though they should be available on the wiki. If jboklu isn't a sufficient reason to coin a word, then I'm not sure what does.
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Comment #3:
Re: neither
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alynpost (Sun Feb 20 20:13:20 2011)
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lindarthebard wrote: > alynpost wrote: > > I don't see any mechanism by which this lujvo is a better definition for > > "tall-tale" than "nickle cat" or "gold dog". The definition is so > > arbitrary as to leave no method for which to compare it to other > > suggestions. It is no better than a random choice, which I consider an > > insufficient condition for defining a new word. > > > It's a culture word that I added after speaking to a few other lojbanists. > We had a storytelling game, unique to our language, wot featured a nikle > gerku. I'll post the rules to the Lojban list, though they should be > available on the wiki. If jboklu isn't a sufficient reason to coin a word, > then I'm not sure what does.
I'm not strictly suggesting that jboklu is not a sufficient reason to coin a word, I am suggesting that *if* culture is a sufficient reason to coin a word, that we use the process one uses for allowing culture to define words: wikipedia has an extensively documented policy concerning contributions from primary sources, and dictionary editing teams also use a process to vet new words before putting them in the dictionary.
In summary, if cultural transmission is a valid mechanism for putting words in a dictionary, you Lindar as a primary source cannot add words you coin or that are coined in your presence. You're a primary source in this instance and it is a conflict of interest for you to decide whether there is cultural transmission worthy of coining a new word.
You'd need to wait for the word to be noticed and documented by someone else not involved in the word-coining activity.
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