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Discussion of "plinycma"
Comment #1:
Seems backwards to me
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Adam Lopresto (Fri Feb 13 22:25:09 2009)
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It seems like this should probably be cmaplini, since the main place structure is that of plini instead of cmalu.
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Comment #2:
Re: Seems backwards to me
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Andrew Piekarski (Sat Feb 14 17:11:19 2009)
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Eimi wrote: > It seems like this should probably be cmaplini, since the main place > structure is that of plini instead of cmalu.
Logically, there is no difference between a 'planet-type small-thing' and a 'small-type planet'. However, 'cmalu loka plini etc' (the expansion of 'plinycma') allows us to develop a reasonable place structure. How would you expand 'cmaplini' and come up with a place structure?
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Comment #3:
Re: Seems backwards to me
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Adam Lopresto (Mon Feb 16 18:43:08 2009)
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totus wrote: > Eimi wrote: > > It seems like this should probably be cmaplini, since the main place > > structure is that of plini instead of cmalu. > > Logically, there is no difference between a 'planet-type small-thing' and > a 'small-type planet'.
Of course there is. One is a type of planet, the other is a type of small-thing. In tanru, at least, the tertau is actually asserted, and the seltau is just informational. In lujvo there's more flexibility, but that isn't license to go crazy.
> However, 'cmalu loka plini etc' (the expansion of > 'plinycma') allows us to develop a reasonable place structure. How would > you expand 'cmaplini' and come up with a place structure?
It's small in the property of being a planet? That's...very odd. And one would expect the place structure then to start with cmalu3, which you've omitted entirely. I would instead expect something like x1 plini x2 x3 x4 gi'e cmalu x5 x6 as the expansion.
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Comment #4:
Re: Seems backwards to me
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Andrew Piekarski (Mon Feb 16 20:39:26 2009)
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Eimi wrote: > totus wrote: > > Eimi wrote: > > > It seems like this should probably be cmaplini, since the main place > > > structure is that of plini instead of cmalu. > > > > Logically, there is no difference between a 'planet-type small-thing' > and > > a 'small-type planet'. > > Of course there is. One is a type of planet, the other is a type of > small-thing. In tanru, at least, the tertau is actually asserted, and the > seltau is just informational. In lujvo there's more flexibility, but that > isn't license to go crazy. > > > However, 'cmalu loka plini etc' (the expansion of > > 'plinycma') allows us to develop a reasonable place structure. > How would > > you expand 'cmaplini' and come up with a place structure? > > It's small in the property of being a planet? That's...very odd. And one > would expect the place structure then to start with cmalu3, which you've > omitted entirely. I would instead expect something like x1 plini x2 x3 > x4 gi'e cmalu x5 x6 as the expansion.
But an asteroid may or may not be small (depending what you are comparing it with) and certainly is not a planet. So I don't thing the gi'e approach will do. ...cmalu loka plini... still seems the better description.
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