I really like this word, but we need to make sure to note that it is
non-precedential in several regards, mostly relating to chemistry. We just
do not want to box ourselves in for this one word. It should be subject to
future revision based on future Lojban standards, conventions, and patches
which address at least the following issues.

First, some people use constructs of form 'number rafsi + atomic group
gismu (or zevla) rafsi' not for formula expression, as is done here
("reltrano" here means "N₂, diatomic nitrogren"), but instead for
indicating which element in that group is meant (so "reltrano" would mean
"phosphorus"). We need to determine a standard.

Second, ".anmona" would be a slightly unusual compound name, and we may
want to make it formulaic, even though "ammon-" is standardized by IUPAC.

Third, we need to distinguish between a string which is like
"reltranyselcy'anmona" such that the diatomic nitrogen and ammonia are
treated as separate terms and a similar string such that they are treated
as a single compound ("ultranitrogenous ammonia" or something; even if it
is not chemically possible, the word could describe the concept and the
rules for interpretation should be regular).

The preceding three issues would be addressed if/when any of us,
eventually, actually gets around to translating IUPAC nomenclature
standards into Lojban.

Fourth, Lojban generally would benefit from a way of specifying "this
veljvo seltau goes into the nth sumti slot of the veljvo tertau", for each
positive integer n.

(Notice that the first and fourth points combine in an especially nasty
way for veljvo involving numbers and "ratni").

I think that I had other concerns, but I forgot them and this list is
enough to be getting by on, for now.

Comment #9: Re: Non-precedential

evie (Thu Apr 25 13:41:07 2024)

krtisfranks wrote: > I really like this word, but we need to make sure to note that it is > non-precedential in several regards, mostly relating to chemistry. We just > do not want to box ourselves in for this one word. It should be subject to > future revision based on future Lojban standards, conventions, and patches > which address at least the following issues. > > First, some people use constructs of form 'number rafsi + atomic group > gismu (or zevla) rafsi' not for formula expression, as is done here > ("reltrano" here means "N2, diatomic nitrogren"), but instead for > indicating which element in that group is meant (so "reltrano" would mean > "phosphorus"). We need to determine a standard. > > Second, ".anmona" would be a slightly unusual compound name, and we may > want to make it formulaic, even though "ammon-" is standardized by IUPAC. > > Third, we need to distinguish between a string which is like > "reltranyselcy'anmona" such that the diatomic nitrogen and ammonia are > treated as separate terms and a similar string such that they are treated > as a single compound ("ultranitrogenous ammonia" or something; even if it > is not chemically possible, the word could describe the concept and the > rules for interpretation should be regular). > > The preceding three issues would be addressed if/when any of us, > eventually, actually gets around to translating IUPAC nomenclature > standards into Lojban. > > Fourth, Lojban generally would benefit from a way of specifying "this > veljvo seltau goes into the nth sumti slot of the veljvo tertau", for each > positive integer n. > > (Notice that the first and fourth points combine in an especially nasty > way for veljvo involving numbers and "ratni"). > > I think that I had other concerns, but I forgot them and this list is > enough to be getting by on, for now. 1. huh interesting 2. the anmona entry has existed since 2017 3. there is a -bor- after the anmona to glue it to the binxo 4. agree