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Discussion of "manjetu"
Comment #1:
How does this work?
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Curtis W Franks (Wed Dec 9 17:39:13 2015)
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How is the predicate specified in a non-looping manner?
I think that reordering the terbri may also be beneficial. I guess that it really depends on what the intention is.
with gadri involved, I am a little confused about what this word would mean.
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Comment #2:
Re: How does this work?
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Jonathan (Thu Dec 10 01:34:20 2015)
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I think it's meant to work something like:
li re manjetu lo ka raltca lo mergu'e kei la .paris. la .uacintyn. la .cikagos. la .sanfranSISkos.
x_1 points to the number of the "correct answer" sumti among the sumti after x_2. i.e. {x_{x_1}+2} ckaji x_2
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Comment #3:
Re: How does this work?
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Jonathan (Thu Dec 10 01:35:28 2015)
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x1 points to the number of the "correct answer" sumti among the sumti after x2. i.e.
xx1+2 ckaji x2
Fix latex
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Comment #6:
Re: How does this work?
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Curtis W Franks (Thu Dec 10 03:37:05 2015)
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My previous comment did not post.
So the definition is: "the x1st (li; natural number) option among those that follow is the option that correctly satisfies x2 (abstraction), where the aforementioned options are: x3, x4, ..., xn"?
In that case, I think that x2 needs ce'u or something so that
x(x1 +2) fills the correct/intended terbri within the abstraction's bridi.
Also, there cannot be an infinite number of terbri. That is mathematically bad (this word can support an arbitrary number of terbri, not an infinite number), but it is also linguistically bad. Every unspecified terbri will get implicitly filled with zo'e; if there are an infinite number of terbri and if these ellipticals have mutually independent semantic/referent sets, then things start to get wack. For example, everything (which can be counted) in the world can become and eventually option for the answer (or at least all cities). If x2 has a nonunique answer, then even if only one correct answer is explicitly given, the later ellipticals can start referencing it or other options (possibly repeatedly), which can be problematic for answering some questions. Thus, one could get tons of extraneous, bad, or redundant options; a question could always be answered in an entirely unhelpful way. Moreover, a party can utter "le se xi x(n+m) manjetu" (for n specified and m being a natural number), which can be trippy. I may not have convinced you, but it seems like unintended consequences can arise. I would propose that the word supports an arbitrary natural number of terbri (at least two) and that, in context, it has n+3 terbri (except in one case, which I will state momentarily), where n is the number of explicitly stated options; in this case, after the last explicitly stated option (which fills the (n+2)nd terbri of this word), there is always an implicit option that is constituted of the response "none of the aforementioned explicit options is correct"; zo'e may fill any of the terbri of this word after the second, except this implicit last one (the "no good options" one), but must do so explicitly. The one exception is the case where zi'o fills the third terbri of this word and no other option is explicitly stated after it; then this word has just the first two terbri.
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Comment #7:
Re: How does this work?
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Curtis W Franks (Thu Dec 10 03:39:40 2015)
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spheniscine wrote: > I think it's meant to work something like: > > li re manjetu lo ka raltca lo So the definition is: "the (x_1)st (li; natural number) option among those that follow is the option that correctly satisfies x_2 (abstraction), where the aforementioned options are: x_3, x_4, ..., x_n"?
In that case, I think that x_2 needs ce'u or something so that x_(x_1 + 2) fills the correct/intended terbri within the abstraction's bridi.
Also, there cannot be an infinite number of terbri. That is mathematically bad (this word can support an arbitrary number of terbri, not an infinite number), but it is also linguistically bad. Every unspecified terbri will get implicitly filled with zo'e; if there are an infinite number of terbri and if these ellipticals have mutually independent semantic/referent sets, then things start to get wack. For example, everything (which can be counted) in the world can become and eventually option for the answer (or at least all cities). If x_2 has a nonunique answer, then even if only one correct answer is explicitly given, the later ellipticals can start referencing it or other options (possibly repeatedly), which can be problematic for answering some questions. Thus, one could get tons of extraneous, bad, or redundant options; a question could always be answered in an entirely unhelpful way. Moreover, a party can utter "le se xi x_(n+m) manjetu" (for n specified and m being a natural number), which can be trippy. I may not have convinced you, but it seems like unintended consequences can arise. I would propose that the word supports an arbitrary natural number of terbri (at least two) and that, in context, it has n+3 terbri (except in one case, which I will state momentarily), where n is the number of explicitly stated options; in this case, after the last explicitly stated option (which fills the (n+2)nd terbri of this word), there is always an implicit option that is constituted of the response "none of the aforementioned explicit options is correct"; zo'e may fill any of the terbri of this word after the second, except this implicit last one (the "no good options" one), but must do so explicitly. The one exception is the case where zi'o fills the third terbri of this word and no other option is explicitly stated after it; then this word has just the first two terbri.
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Comment #8:
Re: How does this work?
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Curtis W Franks (Thu Dec 10 04:01:31 2015)
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What if the question in x_2 is asking about the predicate itself? How does specify that with sumti (as options)?
Can the question be about which abstractor is to be used for x_2?
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Comment #9:
Re: How does this work?
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Alex Burka (Thu Dec 10 23:10:03 2015)
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I'm fairly sure that an arbitrary number of sumti places was the intention.
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Comment #10:
Re: How does this work?
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Curtis W Franks (Fri Dec 11 01:37:18 2015)
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durka42 wrote: > I'm fairly sure that an arbitrary number of sumti places was the intention.
I agree. But it should be said that way.
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Comment #5:
Re: How does this work?
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Curtis W Franks (Thu Dec 10 03:35:46 2015)
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spheniscine wrote: > I think it's meant to work something like: > > li re manjetu lo ka raltca lo mergu'e kei la .paris. la .uacintyn. la > .cikagos. la .sanfranSISkos. > > x_1 points to the number of the "correct answer" sumti among the sumti > after x_2. i.e. x_x_1+2 ckaji x_2
So the definition is: "the x1st (li; natural number) option among those that follow is the option that correctly satisfies x2 (abstraction), where the aforementioned options are: x3, x4, ..., xn"?
In that case, I think that x2 needs ce'u or something so that
x(x1 +2) fills the correct/intended terbri within the abstraction's bridi.
Also, there cannot be an infinite number of terbri. That is mathematically bad (this word can support an arbitrary number of terbri, not an infinite number), but it is also linguistically bad. Every unspecified terbri will get implicitly filled with zo'e; if there are an infinite number of terbri and if these ellipticals have mutually independent semantic/referent sets, then things start to get wack. For example, everything (which can be counted) in the world can become and eventually option for the answer (or at least all cities). If x2 has a nonunique answer, then even if only one correct answer is explicitly given, the later ellipticals can start referencing it or other options (possibly repeatedly), which can be problematic for answering some questions. Thus, one could get tons of extraneous, bad, or redundant options; a question could always be answered in an entirely unhelpful way. Moreover, a party can utter "le se xi x(n+m) manjetu" (for n specified and m being a natural number), which can be trippy. I may not have convinced you, but it seems like unintended consequences can arise. I would propose that the word supports an arbitrary natural number of terbri (at least two) and that, in context, it has n+3 terbri (except in one case, which I will state momentarily), where n is the number of explicitly stated options; in this case, after the last explicitly stated option (which fills the (n+2)nd terbri of this word), there is always an implicit option that is constituted of the response "none of the aforementioned explicit options is correct"; zo'e may fill any of the terbri of this word after the second, except this implicit last one (the "no good options" one), but must do so explicitly. The one exception is the case where zi'o fills the third terbri of this word and no other option is explicitly stated after it; then this word has just the first two terbri.
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