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Discussion of "baitni"
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Comment #7: Re: What type of unit of information?
gleki (Sat Jul 11 05:56:54 2015)

spheniscine wrote:
> OK terbri added.


Not to baitni yet. Strange that we have bi- prefix for nats.

Comment #8: Re: What type of unit of information?
Curtis W Franks (Sat Jul 11 06:29:22 2015)

gleki wrote:
> spheniscine wrote:
> > OK terbri added.
>
>
> Not to baitni yet. Strange that we have bi- prefix for nats.

Well, Lojban can just ignore it. "rel" would be the way to go for a fully
Lojbanic rendering; there is no particular reason for a Lojban speaker to
associate this "bai"/"bi" with anything in particular. So, for them, it is
just a relic of the borrowing, and the one word "bit"/"byte" stands in for
all units of information.

The binary metric prefixes (IEC prefixes) would not apply to nats.

Now that I think about it, I am not sure that it is natural (or even
common) to define a collection of nats in a way that is analogous to the
relationship between a byte and a bit. I seriously doubt that it is eight
nats that comprise this unit.

Comment #9: Re: What type of unit of information?
gleki (Sat Jul 11 06:34:25 2015)

krtisfranks wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > spheniscine wrote:
> > > OK terbri added.
> >
> >
> > Not to baitni yet. Strange that we have bi- prefix for nats.
>
> Well, Lojban can just ignore it. "rel" would be the way to go for a fully

> Lojbanic rendering; there is no particular reason for a Lojban speaker to

> associate this "bai"/"bi" with anything in particular. So, for them, it
is
> just a relic of the borrowing, and the one word "bit"/"byte" stands in
for
> all units of information.
>
> The binary metric prefixes (IEC prefixes) would not apply to nats.
>
> Now that I think about it, I am not sure that it is natural (or even
> common) to define a collection of nats in a way that is analogous to the
> relationship between a byte and a bit. I seriously doubt that it is eight

> nats that comprise this unit.


Okay, what about trytes?

Comment #10: Re: What type of unit of information?
Curtis W Franks (Sat Jul 11 06:55:05 2015)

gleki wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > spheniscine wrote:
> > > > OK terbri added.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to baitni yet. Strange that we have bi- prefix for nats.
> >
> > Well, Lojban can just ignore it. "rel" would be the way to go for a
fully
>
> > Lojbanic rendering; there is no particular reason for a Lojban speaker
to
>
> > associate this "bai"/"bi" with anything in particular. So, for them, it

> is
> > just a relic of the borrowing, and the one word "bit"/"byte" stands in
> for
> > all units of information.
> >
> > The binary metric prefixes (IEC prefixes) would not apply to nats.
> >
> > Now that I think about it, I am not sure that it is natural (or even
> > common) to define a collection of nats in a way that is analogous to
the
> > relationship between a byte and a bit. I seriously doubt that it is
eight
>
> > nats that comprise this unit.
>
>
> Okay, what about trytes?

That is more problematic and should be addressed. I think that the common
grouping is six trits to the tryte (which still seems a bit weird to me
from a mathematical perspective). We should be able to say that.

Comment #13: Re: What type of unit of information?
Jonathan (Sun Jul 12 05:30:33 2015)

krtisfranks wrote:
> gleki wrote:
> > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > gleki wrote:
> > > > spheniscine wrote:
> > > > > OK terbri added.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not to baitni yet. Strange that we have bi- prefix for nats.
> > >
> > > Well, Lojban can just ignore it. "rel" would be the way to go for a
> fully
> >
> > > Lojbanic rendering; there is no particular reason for a Lojban
speaker
> to
> >
> > > associate this "bai"/"bi" with anything in particular. So, for them,
it
>
> > is
> > > just a relic of the borrowing, and the one word "bit"/"byte" stands
in
> > for
> > > all units of information.
> > >
> > > The binary metric prefixes (IEC prefixes) would not apply to nats.
> > >
> > > Now that I think about it, I am not sure that it is natural (or even
> > > common) to define a collection of nats in a way that is analogous to
> the
> > > relationship between a byte and a bit. I seriously doubt that it is
> eight
> >
> > > nats that comprise this unit.
> >
> >
> > Okay, what about trytes?
>
> That is more problematic and should be addressed. I think that the common

> grouping is six trits to the tryte (which still seems a bit weird to me
> from a mathematical perspective). We should be able to say that.


lu <bitnymei be li xa bei li ci be'o cei traitni ca'e> li'u mu'a

Comment #14: Re: What type of unit of information?
Jonathan (Sun Jul 12 05:35:47 2015)

spheniscine wrote:
> krtisfranks wrote:
> > gleki wrote:
> > > krtisfranks wrote:
> > > > gleki wrote:
> > > > > spheniscine wrote:
> > > > > > OK terbri added.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to baitni yet. Strange that we have bi- prefix for nats.
> > > >
> > > > Well, Lojban can just ignore it. "rel" would be the way to go for a

> > fully
> > >
> > > > Lojbanic rendering; there is no particular reason for a Lojban
> speaker
> > to
> > >
> > > > associate this "bai"/"bi" with anything in particular. So, for
them,
> it
> >
> > > is
> > > > just a relic of the borrowing, and the one word "bit"/"byte" stands

> in
> > > for
> > > > all units of information.
> > > >
> > > > The binary metric prefixes (IEC prefixes) would not apply to nats.
> > > >
> > > > Now that I think about it, I am not sure that it is natural (or
even
> > > > common) to define a collection of nats in a way that is analogous
to
> > the
> > > > relationship between a byte and a bit. I seriously doubt that it is

> > eight
> > >
> > > > nats that comprise this unit.
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, what about trytes?
> >
> > That is more problematic and should be addressed. I think that the
common
>
> > grouping is six trits to the tryte (which still seems a bit weird to me

> > from a mathematical perspective). We should be able to say that.
>
>
> lu <bitnymei be li xa bei li ci be'o cei traitni ca'e> li'u mu'a
.y. oise'i

.i je'au lu <lo ka ce'u traitni ca'e ce'u cu ka ce'u bitnymei ce'u li xa
li ci> li'u

Comment #11: Re: What type of unit of information?
Jonathan (Sun Jul 12 00:56:50 2015)

I did not add it to baitni because baitni is a zi'evla defined very
specifically as 8 bits, to reflect the common use of "byte" as a unit of
information wrt computers. bitnymei can be used to define additional
units if desired, and has terbri both for number of bits and logarithmic
base.

Comment #12: Re: What type of unit of information?
Jonathan (Sun Jul 12 04:19:44 2015)

IOW, baitni is to bitnymei what zmaile is to minli.

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