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Discussion of "narviska'e"
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Comment #2: Re: invisible
Wuzzy (Mon Nov 24 04:50:16 2014)

durka42 wrote:
> Hmm. So "blind" (unable to see) is narviska'e but "invisible" (unable
to
> be seen) is selvisnalka'e. This seems undesirably asymmetric to me.


I am not really happy with the definition of selvisnalka'e. I always
understood “kakne” to mean something along the lines of “innately
capable”. So a capability like “to be seen” is not really a
capability at all, it’s completely passive. Maybe I should find a better
word for “x1 is invisible for x2 under conditions x3” so
“selvisnalka'e” can be “deprecated”.

Also: “nar” (na) vs “nal” (na'e).

Comment #3: Re: invisible
gleki (Mon Nov 24 10:38:15 2014)

Wuzzy wrote:
> durka42 wrote:
> > Hmm. So "blind" (unable to see) is narviska'e but "invisible"
(unable
> to
> > be seen) is selvisnalka'e. This seems undesirably asymmetric to me.
>
>
> I am not really happy with the definition of selvisnalka'e. I always
> understood “kakne” to mean something along the lines of “innately
> capable”. So a capability like “to be seen” is not really a
> capability at all, it’s completely passive. Maybe I should find a
better
> word for “x1 is invisible for x2 under conditions x3” so
> “selvisnalka'e” can be “deprecated”.
>
> Also: “nar” (na) vs “nal” (na'e).


It should be "ko'a na jai cumki fai lo ka se viska"

which results in selvisnarjaxycu'i.

Not sure it's worth it.

Comment #4: Re: invisible
Alex Burka (Mon Nov 24 20:41:53 2014)

gleki wrote:
> Wuzzy wrote:
> > durka42 wrote:
> > > Hmm. So "blind" (unable to see) is narviska'e but "invisible"
> (unable
> > to
> > > be seen) is selvisnalka'e. This seems undesirably asymmetric to
me.
> >
> >
> > I am not really happy with the definition of selvisnalka'e. I always
> > understood “kakne” to mean something along the lines of
“innately
> > capable”. So a capability like “to be seen” is not really a
> > capability at all, it’s completely passive. Maybe I should find a
> better
> > word for “x1 is invisible for x2 under conditions x3” so
> > “selvisnalka'e” can be “deprecated”.
> >
> > Also: “nar” (na) vs “nal” (na'e).
>
>
> It should be "ko'a na jai cumki fai lo ka se viska"
>
> which results in selvisnarjaxycu'i.
>
> Not sure it's worth it.

selvisnarcu'i seems good. But I might go with visnarka'e instead of
narviska'e, again for symmetry. But that's minor.

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