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Discussion of "jie'e'e"

Comment #1: morphology
Alex Burka (Wed Oct 15 05:20:24 2014)

Er... how do you intend to pronounce this? There seems to be a bug in
jbovlaste -- jbofi'e and camxes don't accept this as a word.

Comment #2: Re: morphology
Alex Burka (Sat Oct 18 20:52:16 2014)

durka42 wrote:
> Er... how do you intend to pronounce this? There seems to be a bug in
> jbovlaste -- jbofi'e and camxes don't accept this as a word.

Sorry, I was wrong -- they do accept it as a word if you ask for "cmavo"
or "cmavo_form" directly.

Comment #3: Re: morphology
guskant (Sun Oct 19 14:11:02 2014)

durka42 wrote:
> durka42 wrote:
> > Er... how do you intend to pronounce this? There seems to be a bug in
> > jbovlaste -- jbofi'e and camxes don't accept this as a word.
>
> Sorry, I was wrong -- they do accept it as a word if you ask for "cmavo"
> or "cmavo_form" directly.

According to CLL3.4, this is not a cmavo form: "the ten following ones
[diphtongs beginning with i or u] are used only as stand-alone words and
in Lojbanized names and borrowings." Was the rule changed, and the CLL
should be corrected? Where is the change documented?

I would not agree to such a new rule, because I guess most listeners could
not distinguish "jie'e'e" and "je'e'e".

Comment #4: Re: morphology
Alex Burka (Sun Oct 19 15:48:42 2014)

gusnikantu wrote:
> durka42 wrote:
> > durka42 wrote:
> > > Er... how do you intend to pronounce this? There seems to be a bug
in
> > > jbovlaste -- jbofi'e and camxes don't accept this as a word.
> >
> > Sorry, I was wrong -- they do accept it as a word if you ask for
"cmavo"
> > or "cmavo_form" directly.
>
> According to CLL3.4, this is not a cmavo form: "the ten following ones
> [diphtongs beginning with i or u] are used only as stand-alone words and
> in Lojbanized names and borrowings." Was the rule changed, and the CLL
> should be corrected? Where is the change documented?
>
> I would not agree to such a new rule, because I guess most listeners
could
> not distinguish "jie'e'e" and "je'e'e".


jbovlaste now uses the camxes morphology. It apparently allows
consonant+glide clusters, though I can't find documentation of this in
the BPFK morphology pages.

Comment #5: Re: morphology
gleki (Sun Oct 19 16:13:13 2014)

durka42 wrote:
> gusnikantu wrote:
> > durka42 wrote:
> > > durka42 wrote:
> > > > Er... how do you intend to pronounce this? There seems to be a bug
> in
> > > > jbovlaste -- jbofi'e and camxes don't accept this as a word.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I was wrong -- they do accept it as a word if you ask for
> "cmavo"
> > > or "cmavo_form" directly.
> >
> > According to CLL3.4, this is not a cmavo form: "the ten following ones
> > [diphtongs beginning with i or u] are used only as stand-alone words
and
> > in Lojbanized names and borrowings." Was the rule changed, and the CLL
> > should be corrected? Where is the change documented?
> >
> > I would not agree to such a new rule, because I guess most listeners
> could
> > not distinguish "jie'e'e" and "je'e'e".
>
>
> jbovlaste now uses the camxes morphology. It apparently allows
> consonant+glide clusters, though I can't find documentation of this in
> the BPFK morphology pages.


I also wouldn't agree in unblocking C[iu]V space and making jie
available. It must be a mistake somwhere in the code.

Comment #6: Re: morphology
Curtis W Franks (Sun Oct 26 07:08:18 2014)

gleki wrote:
> durka42 wrote:
> > gusnikantu wrote:
> > > durka42 wrote:
> > > > durka42 wrote:
> > > > > Er... how do you intend to pronounce this? There seems to be a
bug
> > in
> > > > > jbovlaste -- jbofi'e and camxes don't accept this as a word.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, I was wrong -- they do accept it as a word if you ask for
> > "cmavo"
> > > > or "cmavo_form" directly.
> > >
> > > According to CLL3.4, this is not a cmavo form: "the ten following
ones
> > > [diphtongs beginning with i or u] are used only as stand-alone words
> and
> > > in Lojbanized names and borrowings." Was the rule changed, and the
CLL
> > > should be corrected? Where is the change documented?
> > >
> > > I would not agree to such a new rule, because I guess most listeners
> > could
> > > not distinguish "jie'e'e" and "je'e'e".
> >
> >
> > jbovlaste now uses the camxes morphology. It apparently allows
> > consonant+glide clusters, though I can't find documentation of this
in
> > the BPFK morphology pages.
>
>
> I also wouldn't agree in unblocking C[iu]V space and making jie
> available. It must be a mistake somwhere in the code.

I personally do not mind it and believe that the
phonology/phonotactics/morphology of Lojban should be freed up in a few
ways (including this one). I also can distinguish easily between this word
and all other words except "j!ie'e'e", where "!" represents any nonempty
string consisting of only "i"'s. I have no problems with this word. I in
fact like it. That having been said, I will concede to the opinion of the
community. I am happy to have pointed out this issue, at the least. :)

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